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Nevil Oscillator
#1 - 2015-02-02 11:46:58 UTC
Hi, I have a few questions regarding loot and objects deployed in space.

Wrecks and containers have three different colours under normal circumstances, white, yellow and blue and this is a bit confusing,

Yellow = Definitely not allowed to touch without getting a crimewatch flag
Blue = Definitely are allowed to touch

White = kind of depends what it is. wrecks yes, secure containers that someone else put there , no errm and a few other things like jet cans.. no cargo containers that have fallen from a wreck you destroyed .. yes . so this bit is a bit confusing

You can set wrecks of ships you have destroyed to blue by right click + abandon

Some wrecks are automatically blue, I believe this is something to do with the criminal status of the ship that was destroyed or the ship that destroyed it.

Could someone clarify this a little for me,,


Thanks
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-02-02 15:10:12 UTC
I don't see any questions.

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Ketspa Thellere
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-02-02 15:11:06 UTC
You're right in that Blue are "abandoned" wrecks that are a free for all and yellow are ones you need to be sneaky if you're nicking stuff from. White wrecks are created by either you or your corp, so those are fair game.

You're right in that containers get confusing - Secure Freight Containers share the white colour regardless of who's it is. The only white container you can loot from is the generic "cargo container" as it's listed on your overview.

For the question on what makes a wreck abandoned - they go blue after a set time, or if the person who made the wreck logs off for a while (I THINK - I suggest you double check that). Hope this helps!
Nevil Oscillator
#4 - 2015-02-02 15:40:58 UTC
Ketspa Thellere wrote:
You're right in that Blue are "abandoned" wrecks that are a free for all and yellow are ones you need to be sneaky if you're nicking stuff from. White wrecks are created by either you or your corp, so those are fair game.

You're right in that containers get confusing - Secure Freight Containers share the white colour regardless of who's it is. The only white container you can loot from is the generic "cargo container" as it's listed on your overview.

For the question on what makes a wreck abandoned - they go blue after a set time, or if the person who made the wreck logs off for a while (I THINK - I suggest you double check that). Hope this helps!


A player with a criminal flag, [ Any jettisoned wrecks or containers will be auto-abandoned ]

So for instance a gank team needs a ship there that is not destroyed by concord to loot the wreck of the victim faster than the victims buddies can get to it because it is available to all.
Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#5 - 2015-02-02 16:12:04 UTC
Question: can you loot from secure anchored containers (which appear white, but have owners) without getting a criminal flag? Say, if they forget to set a password, or if you know the password? I think this is legit.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2015-02-02 19:30:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Phig Neutron wrote:
Question: can you loot from secure anchored containers (which appear white, but have owners) without getting a criminal flag? Say, if they forget to set a password, or if you know the password? I think this is legit.

Probably. When in doubt, test it on the test server, Singularity (a.k.a. SiSi).

With green safety, you can't perform actions that would earn you a suspect or criminal flag.

With yellow safety, you can't perform actions that would earn you a criminal flag

With red safety, there are no restrictions, so beware.
Keno Skir
#7 - 2015-02-02 19:42:18 UTC
You can take from Blue stuff.

You can take from White stuff.

You COULD take from Yellow, but you get a Suspect Flag and everyone can shoot / pod you for 15mins.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-02-02 20:39:19 UTC
White secure containers are also frew to take from....if you figure out the password on them.

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Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#9 - 2015-02-02 23:08:43 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
White secure containers are also frew to take from....if you figure out the password on them.


They could be useful for a "dead drop" situation. Let's say you are a spy in a corporation which has your full API key, and you want to transfer assets (or bookmarks, say) to another character without having any transaction appear on your wallet or contracts history. Or an even more extreme situation -- lets say you don't want *either* corp to know who the spy is, not even the corp that's paying you for spying. The solution could be to share these items via an innocent-looking cargo container, and also to receive your payments via treasures left in the dead letter box.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#10 - 2015-02-02 23:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Phig Neutron wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
White secure containers are also frew to take from....if you figure out the password on them.


They could be useful for a "dead drop" situation. Let's say you are a spy in a corporation which has your full API key, and you want to transfer assets (or bookmarks, say) to another character without having any transaction appear on your wallet or contracts history. Or an even more extreme situation -- lets say you don't want *either* corp to know who the spy is, not even the corp that's paying you for spying. The solution could be to share these items via an innocent-looking cargo container, and also to receive your payments via treasures left in the dead letter box.




This is indeed how I recommend players transfer assets to alts that are disloyal members of corporations masquerading as newbies.

You should always transfer assets that could be acquired by a lucky new player (such as the very best highsec exploration drops, or faction loot that can drop in Angel Extravaganza 3).


OP - IIRC, if you are Crimewatch yellow or red carded, any wreck of yours (your own ship, or an NPC you kill) will be blue.

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Nevil Oscillator
#11 - 2015-02-03 08:55:07 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:



OP - IIRC, if you are Crimewatch yellow or red carded, any wreck of yours (your own ship, or an NPC you kill) will be blue.



Interesting because it doesn't mention that in this description of the suspect flag.

Crimewatch
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-02-03 13:56:03 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:



OP - IIRC, if you are Crimewatch yellow or red carded, any wreck of yours (your own ship, or an NPC you kill) will be blue.



Interesting because it doesn't mention that in this description of the suspect flag.

Crimewatch


Thats because that page doesnt deal with loot drops.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-02-03 14:57:53 UTC
I believe white wrecks are wrecks that you have access to. so wrecks that are yours or your corp mates or fleet mates still in fleet or fleet mates that logged off but have you set to a positive standing. I'm not 100% sure how fleet loot mechanics work but in some situations wrecks can go yellow on you when someone leaves fleet. Somewhat recently it seems all wrecks in null now are white.

It seems that blue and yellow wrecks you have a handle on.

As far as the other white things in space I would assume it means you have loot rights to it but that's a guess. As others have pointed out you can access secure containers anchored in space if you have the password.

For me I just think of wrecks as their own thing different from everything else with the single exception of jet cans which behave much like wrecks regardless of if they are player created or created by the server when you salvage a wreck with loot in it.

Again I'm not 100% sure of all the mechanics but I hope this helps clear things up for you. Also it might shed some light to note that I have been playing since 2009 and don't know the full answer to your question and while others in here have had some helpful info they don't either.

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Nevil Oscillator
#14 - 2015-02-03 15:58:30 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:



Thats because that page doesnt deal with loot drops.


That's because you didn't read it
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-02-03 17:42:18 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Solonius Rex wrote:



Thats because that page doesnt deal with loot drops.


That's because you didn't read it


Oh, you were being sarcastic. My mistake, then.
Nevil Oscillator
#16 - 2015-02-03 17:47:41 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:


Oh, you were being sarcastic. My mistake, then.


Actually no but you are far from the only person that jumps to conclusions about me.

Read Criminal Flag -

[Any jettisoned wrecks or containers will be auto-abandoned, allowing any other player to take from them without penalty. ]
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-02-03 17:48:48 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:



OP - IIRC, if you are Crimewatch yellow or red carded, any wreck of yours (your own ship, or an NPC you kill) will be blue.



Interesting because it doesn't mention that in this description of the suspect flag.

Crimewatch


Correct.

Suicide ganker wrecks are always automatically blue (Cause of concord owns them)

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-02-03 17:50:59 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Solonius Rex wrote:


Oh, you were being sarcastic. My mistake, then.


Actually no but you are far from the only person that jumps to conclusions about me.

Read Criminal Flag -

[Any jettisoned wrecks or containers will be auto-abandoned, allowing any other player to take from them without penalty. ]


You just proven to us that:

A. You are a very low class troll.
B. You cant read.
C. All of the above.

Cause first you claim it doesnt say it in the article, then quote the article about it.


I go for answer C

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-02-03 18:08:25 UTC
If I were a Dev, I think you'd get a ban...

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Nevil Oscillator
#20 - 2015-02-03 18:45:13 UTC
Do I even bother telling you that you are wrong and why ?
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