Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why not have it so training for a skill is accelerated (slightly) while the player is doing an activity that is relevant to the skill that is currently being trained...

Simple example mining..
If the player is training for a mining skill, he gets a small bump in the attribute that effects training time for that skill. +2 willpower or whatever.. When he is mining or piloting a mining ship..

Not a huge impact like cutting it in half or anything, but a little something to reflect "on the job training"

Makes sense that a person will learn a skill faster by practicing at it vs sitting in a station.

Seems like a sensible idea in my mind.


Probably some skills wouldn't /couldn't be effected this way, but many could.

Currently the skill training system is reasonably fair, equitable and cannot be gamed (as far as I know) while not discriminating against those with less time to play which your proposal I'm afraid to say does appear to.

Not supported.

Two alts in highsec start a duel and orbit one another firing lasers that don't do enough to break thier cap stable active tanks.

They do this from downtime to downtime, while the player is totally AFK. They, of course, receive boosts to a range of skills.

This is bad.

Success is built of lessons from mistakes..

You ever take wood shop?
Teacher knew what he was doing yea?

How many fingers did he have?

Your over thinking it, its practice..

You are training combat skills
Would you learn combat faster by doing combat as well as training for it, or by only training

Like doing lab day in school, except in space, with guns..

Your training to use large hybrid turrets
so you are running missions and using medium hybrid turrets.. its smaller brother.. by doing this your education on the larger is improved (read sped up) by your practice and familiarity with the smaller..

I have a cruising sailboat, its my 5th sailboat, my fist was a 14' hobie wave, I learned to sail on that.. the bigger cruiser is a different animal, but its still a sailboat and all of the things about sailing I learned on the small boat apply to one degree or another to the larger boat.


EDIT: Keep in my the effect, im talking a SMALL difference, just enough to make it slightly worth it, but not enough to be exploitable in any meaningful way..

Like the silly example of 2 guys fighting all day to exploit the feature, their effort might save them 2 days off of a 20 day training time.. not hardly enough to go out of your way to try and exploit.


And so what if someone wants to go sit in their mining barge AFK all day to.... wait people already do that.

I cant help but detect a bit of "I had to wait x amount of time so everyone else should too"
I can understand that, people spend LOTS of time waiting on skills, so its naturally annoying when someone tries to "shortcut" the agonizing process they had to go though. to "earn" (by doing literally nothing) the skills they have.

^^ This.

If the stories I was told by some older vets are true... the system you are proposing OP was once a part of the game in its infancy. It was quickly removed.

Plus... such bonuses encourage "grinding" behavior for all the wrong reasons. Instead of doing what you want to do (towards the goal you want to achieve)... you do something that merely advances your skills.
At the same time... this system does no reward those players who perform tasks that require no "in-game" skills (i.e. diplomacy with other players, managing the hanger, accounting, scouting, spying, propaganda, etc).


As for the excuse of "people don't have to do it, it is not mandatory and the bonus is so small"...

Bear in mind that you are playing a game where people...
- will pay hundreds of millions (even billions) of ISK for that extra 2% in the form of implants...
- combat can be won or lost by mere percentages...
- people will spend years earning the trust of others for the possible opportunity of stealing everything his/her peers own...
- market/industrial moguls spend hours upon hours tinkering their spreadsheets and database pulls to see where they can make 1+% profit margins from billion or trillion ISK speculative investments.
- people will PvE, mine, haul, and/or build for days on end just to make a few extra million more than everyone else... for no other reason than "just cause."


If a system that offers tangible (and permanent) rewards is introduced... it stops being optional.



I apologize for sounding so harsh... but people who "wait on their skills" before doing something are idiots.

The point of the skill system as it is, is to...
- force you to "be creative" to compensate for your lacking abilities (because even at "max skills" you will still suck if you lack the capacity to problem solve)
- encourage you to team up with other players who already have those skills trained. You offer your willingness to do the "dirty work" and cut the other player in, the other person offers to be your crutch. Thus, player interaction has begun.


There are no "shortcuts" through EVE's skill system except through other players. Which is the whole intent of the game.

Well more to the point the game is pvp centric and having your players progress based on activity levels would cause the larger or more active groups to quickly gain an unstoppable advantage due to reaching milestones much earlier than opponents.

So the focus of the game would switch from highly paranoid and elitist organisations who do place value in capital pilots to a degree to this degenerative wow-guild where "membership" is a very nebulous term and it doesn't really matter who you have in your group so long as they're a NEET and play all day every day.

Tangentially everyone with bots would be able to farm high sp characters and devalue that resource as well.

The issue of getting people to play more has much more to do with the activities available than it does to do the players. I could write up a 5-post long treatise on why this is the case but just like how I haven't logged in for 2 weeks and have a 411day long training queue I really don't see any pressing need to do so as the limitations of my personal progress is entirely that. A player who doesn't log in causes very little change while someone grinding sp through L4s would do much more and for all the wrong reasons.

This is why I love you guys.

Although this is a highly debated topic and controversial there is a great deal of maturity here.

I applaud you for a well thought out and civil discussion.

Nonetheless I will lock this thread to keep the warm fuzzy feeling even in a reposted thread.