Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Having to adapt and fly my battleships in such drastic ways means I have learned how to get the most out of them. Most people would Just hang up the keys to their favorate ship and fly the current fotm fleet ship. I dont blaim them, they want to win. With me however, I see it as a challange. I will spend however long it takes to adapt what the new doctrine requires. This has given my knolage of battleships that allows me to get the most out of them.

I'd be interested in seeing more creativity with the lowest tier of large turrets i.e. 'dual' weapons (signature benefits/burst fire/medium ammo e.t.c e.t.c)

The addition of the RHML shows there is scope to play around with weapons that, fluff wise at least, are supposed to be multiple cruiser weapons bolted together...

You can do some rather interesting things with with these weapons. Im currently looking into fits that give very high tracking (for a battleship) that would allow turret BS to deal with cruisers and frigates.

Give Combat Battlecruisers and Battleships a secondary weapons array equivalent to half the number of turrets or launchers rounded up, to a maximum of five (each takes the place of a T3 subsystem slot in the fitting window). This does not apply to Attack Battlecruisers or Command ships. CPU and powergrid are *not* increased to offset these additions, and hull bonuses may or may not apply to secondary weapons.

• Combat Battlecruisers: Secondary weapon slots are limited to light weapons (only)
• Battleships: Secondary weapon slots are limited to medium weapons (only)

Examples:

• Drake gains 3x light launcher slots; Drake Navy Issue gains 4x light launcher slots
• All Marauders gain 2x light launcher or 2x light turret slots (Marauder bonuses should probably be revised to extend to medium weapon systems as well)
• Armageddon, Typhoon and Typhoon Fleet Issue all gain 3x medium launcher and 3x medium turret slots (but are still limited to a maximum combination of 5)
• Scorpion Navy Issue gains 3x medium launchers and 2x medium turret slots

First and foremost, run the numbers before passing judgement. These will definitely have an impact on any fitting where CPU and/or powergrid is already tight (particularly Combat Battlecruisers). Second, in the vast majority of instances these secondary turrets or launchers will be unbonused (there are a few exceptions like the Rattlesnake and Barghest). Finally, since light and medium weapons will incur inherent range limitations (again, generally-speaking) - they'll only generally come into play at close ranges.

The addition of a few medium or light weapon systems won't be enough to necessarily turn the tide when facing superior numbers, but it does give Combat Battlecruisers and Battleships at least a chance to extract themselves from these kind of predicaments.

The most effective killing machine is the wreakingball/boot fleet. It is by far the slowest both in terms of warp speed and on grid but it will slaughter anything else in whatever numbers you wish to bring. You might see a lot of cruiser sized doctrines about right now but the battleship still forms to core of our subcap fleet in a war.

A vindi with 4 med blasters coupled with its bonused webs will shred frigates.

But why should I fly that over a vigilant? Its half the cost and bonused for medium guns?
Or is it the 10% bonus to "Morale" that you are equating into your calculations?

You are quite possibly the least qualified person to speak about balance, yet it seems with standard Goon tradition you just can't stop posting after having been wrong on every single aspect.

Ok. Let's start with the fact that your fit does not even remotely do 1200 dps. Not even REMOTELY.
You should probably look at your metrics in game or in EFT before you start spouting non-sense on the forums.

But because I'm not sure the goons teach you how to use out of game tools, I did it for you.

http://i.imgur.com/okJHW4M.png

530 dps @ 36+30
71k ehp with 2.61km signature
225m Cost.


Thats uh.... less than half of your quoted 1200 dps.






Now here are some realistic substitutes.

Brutix
http://i.imgur.com/LG349C2.png

555 Dps to the same range as your Megathron
57k EHP @2.23k Sig
76m Cost

Wow, like 1/3rd the price and you lose 10k ehp. Damn, better fly that mega for the 3 times the price and 10k more EHP!


Drake
http://i.imgur.com/ZwaBJNE.png

450 dps to 47km (It should really be 550dps because I forgot to put drones in)
80k EHP@ 2.06k Sig
66m


1/4th the price and you gain 10k ehp, 12km of Optimal, lose the speed, but for each mega you could get 4 of theses and I bet one of them could solo your terrible megathron fit.


Vexor Navy Issue
http://i.imgur.com/kkFlsnS.png

750 dps @ Infinite because OP
39k EHP @ 1k Sig.
116m.
Half the cost of a mega,but similar defense to your fit due to a much reduced Sig radius, (and if you swap the rigs for EM) it will survive under logi no problem.
So you lose some raw EHP, gain the reduced Sig, 500m/s speed, and 200 more dps, with the option to still do 550dps to the end of lock range with curators/bouncers.

Im not even going to link any HACs in here because we all know they are better than BS except for Baltec1, and he really isn't worth that much effort.

How about looking at the right fit? We are talking about my nano cruiser fit not my harpy fleet fit.