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[PR] Agiolet Security & Logistics – Official support for Jacus Roden

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KaRa DaVuT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2015-01-30 13:22:32 UTC  |  Edited by: KaRa DaVuT
You have a valid point actually.

I neither want to open old wounds, or want to ofend anyone. I just cannot bear people like Heth and his follower's racism.

I am a rebel, a radicalist. My hearth goes with Mayor Ramnev and I hope she will deal with the problems us Gallenteans face today.

Roden, it is a different discussion. But I hope that, whoever is just and right will win this election, not the one who uses his corporate intelligence best..

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.

Alexi Drakenovic
Doomheim
#62 - 2015-01-30 14:03:22 UTC
KaRa DaVuT wrote:
Alexi Drakenovic wrote:
The late Admiral Alexander Noir.. By all accounts a great man, and by my teachers, a man of peace, especially with the Caldari.. I am merely a soldier of Ishukone.. I do not have the aptitude to comment of such things.. Thought if i did i would say i agree with you.. However DaVuT.. Please do not call the events at Malkalen a Mock up.. We lost much in that attack.. I lost much.. So please, do not say such things..


Forgiveme my friend. I did not wanted to offend you. That was really an ill-fated event which left both races a mark that is hard to repair or reprimand.

I am so sory for your losses and my condolences to every soul who lost his life on that day.


Thank you for your kind words. You are right, it marked both of us..
Alain Colcer
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#63 - 2015-01-31 00:28:50 UTC
AG-SL would like to reiterate our support to re-elected President Jacus Roden.

We look forward to the next 5-years in Democracy.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#64 - 2015-01-31 07:18:54 UTC
KaRa DaVuT wrote:

Am I blind.. I don't think so.. You on the other hand make yourself believe that Tibus is like a deity or something, you are BLIND to see what that madman bring to your race...


This is already ridiculous beyond comprehension. You are telling me that I am blind and you don't in the same sentence, where you claim I believe that Tibus Heth was a deity?!

What the actual *censored*?! Are you on drugs?! Am I talking with a foaming at the mouth narc, who is hallucinating about me and Tibus Heth?!...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#65 - 2015-01-31 07:23:43 UTC
KaRa DaVuT wrote:

I just cannot bear people like Heth and his follower's racism.

I am a rebel, a radicalist.

More like you are a liar and brainwashed by gallentean propaganda hypocrit.

Because it was gallenteans, who were racists, not Tibus Heth.

I repeat to everyone well known fact, that the war started when gallentean radical racists on Caldari Prime were proclaiming to "Exterminate all Caldari". And please don't listen to this gallentean clown, thanks in advance.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Nathaniel Kalen
Dynamic Frontier Solutions
#66 - 2015-01-31 15:17:04 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
KaRa DaVuT wrote:

I just cannot bear people like Heth and his follower's racism.


Because it was gallenteans, who were racists, not Tibus Heth.



Kim-haani, I think Mr. DaVuT was talking about some Tibus Heth's followers, not about him.

And, to be honest, calling Tibus Heth a racist or terrorist is silly, albeit funny joke... Well, at least it makes me laugh.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2015-02-01 03:15:57 UTC
Nathaniel Kalen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
KaRa DaVuT wrote:

I just cannot bear people like Heth and his follower's racism.


Because it was gallenteans, who were racists, not Tibus Heth.



Kim-haani, I think Mr. DaVuT was talking about some Tibus Heth's followers, not about him.

And, to be honest, calling Tibus Heth a racist or terrorist is silly, albeit funny joke... Well, at least it makes me laugh.


Tibus Heth is not a terrorist, he is something much worse: a dictator.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#68 - 2015-02-01 03:38:54 UTC
Nathaniel Kalen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
KaRa DaVuT wrote:

I just cannot bear people like Heth and his follower's racism.


Because it was gallenteans, who were racists, not Tibus Heth.



Kim-haani, I think Mr. DaVuT was talking about some Tibus Heth's followers, not about him.

And, to be honest, calling Tibus Heth a racist or terrorist is silly, albeit funny joke... Well, at least it makes me laugh.


Mister Kalen, you understand that Tibus Heth was to brought to trial for terrorism before his escape from the State and likely death, by the mandate of the CEP itself? And that him and his followers destroyed a fair handful of Caldari Navy ships on the way out?

I know that Diana is already aware of this information and it does not change her opinion, but I feel like you don't seem to be.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2015-02-01 03:50:13 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Nathaniel Kalen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
KaRa DaVuT wrote:

I just cannot bear people like Heth and his follower's racism.


Because it was gallenteans, who were racists, not Tibus Heth.



Kim-haani, I think Mr. DaVuT was talking about some Tibus Heth's followers, not about him.

And, to be honest, calling Tibus Heth a racist or terrorist is silly, albeit funny joke... Well, at least it makes me laugh.


Mister Kalen, you understand that Tibus Heth was to brought to trial for terrorism before his escape from the State and likely death, by the mandate of the CEP itself? And that him and his followers destroyed a fair handful of Caldari Navy ships on the way out?

I know that Diana is already aware of this information and it does not change her opinion, but I feel like you don't seem to be.


Diana is a bundle of deep-set confirmation bias and not even a Divine Mandate is going to change her mind. Best that can be done is to limit the damage she can potentially do.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Vector Symian
0 Fear
#70 - 2015-02-01 05:43:26 UTC
Pilots need to leave the wars of mortals too mortals we have to be above this

we need to leave for greener pastures and build an example for them to follow
Nathaniel Kalen
Dynamic Frontier Solutions
#71 - 2015-02-02 19:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathaniel Kalen
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Tibus Heth is not a terrorist, he is something much worse: a dictator.

Mr. Egivand, I could say the same about at least some of your presidents, including Jacus Roden. But I won't: that would be an endless and pointless dispute with personal opinions and accusations used instead of cogent proofs and evidences. It'd be a waste of time, both your and mine, but if you give me some valuable arguments we could proceed instead to a more constructive and thoughtful discussion.

And, by the way, do you call a 'dictatorship' having a leader, strong enough to unite the whole State, advancing it to the new level of existence? It is a matter of our history and traditions, and of our political system as well, that we required such a leader at that time - and require him now. The other question is if such a 'dictator' uses his authority for his own purposes or for the good of his people, and Heth is of the second kind...

Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Mister Kalen, you understand that Tibus Heth was to brought to trial for terrorism before his escape from the State and likely death, by the mandate of the CEP itself? And that him and his followers destroyed a fair handful of Caldari Navy ships on the way out?

Ms. Ikiryo, thanks a lot for your remark. I'm also aware of that and this is something we still have to deal with. Despite that, I still consider Tibus Heth to be the greatest Caldari leader and the Hero of the State. As any law-abiding citizen I have to and will follow the orders of our executives, but I still doubt about the reasons of Heth actions. And still I support him (though not his last actions) for reasons I've mentiond above addressing to Mr. Egivand. I still believe the governmental mechanisms and political ideas he brought into our society are to be embodied.

I judge him for everything he has done, not only for one episode of his life - and despite disagreeing with SOME of his actions I think the State owes him and still needs him. Or someone like him.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#72 - 2015-02-02 20:04:50 UTC
Nathaniel Kalen wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Tibus Heth is not a terrorist, he is something much worse: a dictator.

Mr. Egivand, I could say the same about at least some of your presidents, including Jacus Roden. But I won't: that would be an endless and pointless dispute with personal opinions and accusations used instead of cogent proofs and evidences. It'd be a waste of time, both your and mine, but if you give me some valuable arguments we could proceed instead to a more constructive and thoughtful discussion...


False equivalency, pilot. As much as I dislike Roden it's quite a (disingenuous) stretch to try labeling him a dictator. Last time I checked Roden hadn't taken control of the military, dissolved the legislature and courts and taken all power unto himself, propped up by his own private army of ideologue thugs. No Federal President has ever done so.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#73 - 2015-02-02 20:49:16 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Nathaniel Kalen wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Tibus Heth is not a terrorist, he is something much worse: a dictator.

Mr. Egivand, I could say the same about at least some of your presidents, including Jacus Roden. But I won't: that would be an endless and pointless dispute with personal opinions and accusations used instead of cogent proofs and evidences. It'd be a waste of time, both your and mine, but if you give me some valuable arguments we could proceed instead to a more constructive and thoughtful discussion...


False equivalency, pilot. As much as I dislike Roden it's quite a (disingenuous) stretch to try labeling him a dictator. Last time I checked Roden hadn't taken control of the military, dissolved the legislature and courts and taken all power unto himself, propped up by his own private army of ideologue thugs. No Federal President has ever done so.



Very true. Although, I would say Luc Duvalier came close, and might have gone further if given his way.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#74 - 2015-02-02 21:39:36 UTC
Nathaniel Kalen wrote:

I judge him for everything he has done, not only for one episode of his life - and despite disagreeing with SOME of his actions I think the State owes him and still needs him. Or someone like him.


The last thing we need right now are the politics of the absolute. We Caldari are, perhaps, too passionate and whole-hearted when it comes to our ideals and goals to ever risk betting all our hopes and dreams on one prospect again.

Heth did, indeed, serve a purpose when he came to power. We needed someone to rattle the cages of the mighty and to shake apart the comfortable world of monopolies and smug networks that had risen up. Unfortunately, like many revolutionaries, Heth proved to want nothing more than he wanted power and his attempt to weld us into a single unity almost proved disastrous.

Time to return to the marketplace of ideas, instead of the concept of 'too big to fail'. Let us allow our corporations to each pursue their own endeavours and strategies, and let the slowest and weakest be consumed.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2015-02-03 01:52:44 UTC
Nathaniel Kalen wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Tibus Heth is not a terrorist, he is something much worse: a dictator.

Mr. Egivand, I could say the same about at least some of your presidents, including Jacus Roden. But I won't: that would be an endless and pointless dispute with personal opinions and accusations used instead of cogent proofs and evidences. It'd be a waste of time, both your and mine, but if you give me some valuable arguments we could proceed instead to a more constructive and thoughtful discussion.

And, by the way, do you call a 'dictatorship' having a leader, strong enough to unite the whole State, advancing it to the new level of existence? It is a matter of our history and traditions, and of our political system as well, that we required such a leader at that time - and require him now. The other question is if such a 'dictator' uses his authority for his own purposes or for the good of his people, and Heth is of the second kind...


A dictator is someone who uses force and oppression to get his way. Exactly what Heth did during the latter years of his rulership.

Also, Roden is in the end still beholden to the democratic process. If nobody likes the way he did things he will be ousted after he served his term. Apparently, more than half of the Fed liked what he did so he stayed.

And he is never *my* president. Nobody is. The only authorities I really give a damn about are either the FC of the day, the CEO and directors of any corp or Circle I join and the Clan Elder. You seem to have misunderstood my being here flinging live ammunition on the behalf of the Fed Navy.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.