Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are correct in what you are saying, however some of those topics have bleed over to this topic as well. Intel gathering and targets are actually parts of the so called "AFK camper".

Problem with the seekers is they wont be around forever. least I dont think so

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Please join the more direct and purposeful conversation; actual cloaking mechanics.

Then region specific rat raiding parties (composed of frigates/searching drones) that can randomly be sighted around the universe (so it won't mean where these rats are there's 100% chance of a cloakie there) but also in the area the afker is, gradually getting closer and closer to it's location.

I like the idea it would make sense if a cloaked ship spools up it's warp drive it would give a signature that other ships systemly could pick up.


Then what about the act of AFK cloaking if this fixes there Need of local intel derivation?

POS mounted " quantum beacons " that you could perform " metaphysic sweep's" to determine a general location of 50KM from a cloaked ship. Only able to be re-used after like a 30 Min cool down Allowing said alliance/corp to warp and perform a physical search op?

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The other idea I just saw back reading, is having Sleepers seek out Cloaked players.

Have a 5-10 min on grid counter start when someones cloaked and send seekers into 30km off of the cloaked player and move in on them taking no longer than 5 min to get to them. They wouldn't do any dmg to the player tho it would be funny to possibly give the player a speed boost or some other goofy effect while knocking the player outta cloak

Everyones happy, you wont be hunted by players and would just need to keep moving. (personally i think people still wont be happy with this because it somehow was invented to counter local wich is honestly a cop-out)

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The last valid solution that people have brought up is just making it use some consumable fuel that would be light enough and only use so much to allow a player to cloak for 2-4 hours. any intel gathering situation requires logistics to make it work so the idea of you having a buddy or alt bring in fuel or you have to go back to get some shouldn't be a huge deal. 2-4 hours is plenty of time to troll and get people complacent of your afk activity while not giving you the ability to stay safe forever.

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( Honestly I think even if local was 100% like wormhole space you guys would still not want ships to be able to scan for cloaked players. It will just turn into, Cloak helps counter hostile systems with station and POSes with afk players in them ETC. Your arguments really Mute on the local thing. Your just evading the conversations logical debate on AFK cloaking and going keep bringing up out side issues. By your definition any game change would have a spider webs effect on so many different areas in different degrees so Nothing should EVER be changed in EVE under your " if you change that you have to change this" because I've decided there so interlinked it's imposable to discuss them separately)

The main point I've also seen on my side of the argument is, any activity that promotes AFK game play to disrupt playing people in space actively playing, is in it self illogical. All assets in space deserve threat of attack. Not when you move through gates. Everyone isn't safe moving through gates so thats just part of the game nothing special were talking about the act of AFK in space

And the argument that it's so hard to get there and you put your self at so much risk is mute. With a super cheap fit you can easily get into a target system and bring in 20+ friends with your cyno. Thats OP and yeah you should be hunted like anyone else un-docked, im not saying exact location but giving you something to do like physically search a grid is needed.

Those What ifs don't make any sense. EVE is an interconnected game, everything affects everything else.

The "100% safe" thing is important, because it describes the jealousy and bias of the particular situation. You're basically saying "that guy can do something I disagree with and that I can't do anything about so the game must be changed". In addition to that, he isn't 'safe', he is concealed, not under 'cover' like some how is docked is. Cover is safety, concealment isn't.

I don't worry about what the afk cloaker is doing, I have neutralized him long before I undocked, the cloaker could be knitting a sweater with his grandma for all he can do to me. By being obsessing about afk cloakers, YOU LET THEM WIN.

Multiple people have tried to help you (by "you" I mean the anti-cloak crowd) figure out how to make cloakers a non-issue. You refuse to do so because you have that classic "my way or no way" attitude (topped off with a frosting of victim-hood).

Bet they're quaking in their boots. lol. But if it makes you feel better to wave that sabre, it's fun to watch.

How can you pursue and decloak an AFK Cloaked ship? Tell that, and then I'll agree that they're not 100% safe.

(And I'm roudning up that 100% from 99.9%recurring, because technically if you slowboated around the entire system 'yes you might stumble upon them', but that is not realistic in our RL lifetiems so that is ignored as an option. So the tiny % of stumbling upon them on self made safes is that tiny variance, but I'd have better chance winning the lottery a million times over).

Thank you for proving my point.

The bias here, and apparent degree of assumptions being made, suggest a player who is unable to consider both sides.
You just want the cloaked ones to leave, not understanding their presence serves a valued purpose.


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This line contradicts itself, but if you limit your views and expectations it may seem rational.
That cloaked player, who you assume is AFK... he wants to blow you all up.
(Out of a purely giving desire to share a mutual game experience, you should be thanking them)
Disrupt nothing... you won't bring out the pretty PvE ships to shoot at if you think the cloaked player is paying attention.

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This line wildly contradicts itself, no perspective can defend it as rational.
They KNOW he is AFK.
Despite this, they cannot go about their daily activities, because the guy who is not there.. wait... how??

Is this some new kind of Amarrian religious thing?
You believe the invisible guy, who is not present, will punish you if you do certain things??
How the heck does he even know, not being present?!

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Because local and POS items neither relate or compare to cloaking.... unless of course you are playing EVE.
Go on, tell me how you were aware of the non-present AFK Cloaking player, so you could politely suspend all activities?

(As foretold in the prophecies, his hidden name be praised??)

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One player against dozens.
Now, if a cyno were involved, that would be many players against dozens.
Since we are establishing that it is one player, and dozens are not capable of beating one player... whaaaat?

(Great Amarr will summon the wrath, and thy pitiful mortal ships will be scattered before him as autumn leaves in a fierce breeze... cough cough.... and he will huff and puff and blow your POS down)

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You are meta gaming so far beyond the norm, you even know this guys schedule... that is an invasion of privacy, by the sound of it.
Wait, I got it.
You know the guy, you know he is AFK, and you are the spy convincing your corp to be inactive despite this!!
But, you feel guilty.
You can't tell him the deal is off, or great Amarr will punish you.

So you need to make his side impossible instead, rather than simply faith based resource deprivation.

It all makes sense now.