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Gallente Presidential Election Enters Advance Voting Stage

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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#61 - 2015-01-29 06:56:13 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:


If Jacus Roden go, Blaque should go with him. I can't imagine any other presidential candidate being able to leash that man.


Indeed. Ask yourself this: if Roden is defeated, how will his successor deal with Blaque? Is anyone naive enough to think Blaque and his Eagles will simply disappear? Quietly retire?

Lets be serious. If they did disappear it wouldn't be for long.
DocHolliday ii
Doomheim
#62 - 2015-01-29 11:03:42 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


If Jacus Roden go, Blaque should go with him. I can't imagine any other presidential candidate being able to leash that man.


Indeed. Ask yourself this: if Roden is defeated, how will his successor deal with Blaque? Is anyone naive enough to think Blaque and his Eagles will simply disappear? Quietly retire?

Lets be serious. If they did disappear it wouldn't be for long.


If Roden is defeated Blaque could quite easily carry on as head of the Federal Intelligence, especailly if a new President believes him to be the right man for the job. During the next 20 years you could have 5 different Presidents but one thing that could remain constant during all that time is Blaque head of the FIO.

Im sure Blaque will have quite a large file on all the potential candidates for President, will use his powerful position to make sure he remains as the head of FIO even if a new President may want to replace him.
DocHolliday ii
Doomheim
#63 - 2015-01-29 11:20:09 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
DocHolliday ii wrote:
As a Federation citizen i am saddened to see Roden standing for a second term. I believe the only place he should be standing is in the dock, in a criminal court for crimes against humanity, and along side him should be Blaque head of Federal Intelligence.
Involved in Black sites , torture, murder ,death squads against the Caldari. Even the murder of our own citizens, as reported by a black eagles whistleblower.


Of course you're against a second Roden term. Your post had the odour of a collaborator, so I took a quick look at your background. Why didn't you go ahead and state at the top of your post that you are "Pro Caldari" and "Pro Intaki Seccession?"

There you have it, fellow Federation Citizens. Normally I restrain myself from the use of words like "Traitor" but in your case...

Interesting that you bring up Blaque the way you do. No mention of the truth, that he was given a free hand by Suoro Foiritan at the start of the war and has undermined both Presidents with equal alacrity since. So far the only Federation leader to have outmaneuvered him at all is none other than Jacus Roden when he came to power.


Not a collaborator Vero, CEO of a Caldari corporation, a man who has lived in the State for quite sometime now. Pro Caldari in the sense that i believe in an end to the occupation and control of Caldari Prime by the Federation. Im not the only Intaki who believes this.

Yes i support the ILF better known as the Intaki Liberation Front, and i support their policies to peacefully cede from the Federation.

As regards the election Roden seems to be the favourite most likely to win a second term. A man i can not vote for. Shaileen Ramnev peeks my interest, but without a firm commitment to return the Homeworld of the Cladari people back to the State during this next term of goverment, i move i believe, could and would hopefully lead to the start of a peace process between our two nations, will not vote for her.

None of the candidates i feel truly represent me, and as such i will probably spoil my ballot in protest and vote for none of the candidates up for election.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#64 - 2015-01-29 14:14:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Rinai Vero
DocHolliday ii wrote:


Not a collaborator Vero, CEO of a Caldari corporation, a man who has lived in the State for quite sometime now. Pro Caldari in the sense that i believe in an end to the occupation and control of Caldari Prime by the Federation. Im not the only Intaki who believes this.

Yes i support the ILF better known as the Intaki Liberation Front, and i support their policies to peacefully cede from the Federation.

As regards the election Roden seems to be the favourite most likely to win a second term. A man i can not vote for. Shaileen Ramnev peeks my interest, but without a firm commitment to return the Homeworld of the Cladari people back to the State during this next term of goverment, i move i believe, could and would hopefully lead to the start of a peace process between our two nations, will not vote for her.

None of the candidates i feel truly represent me, and as such i will probably spoil my ballot in protest and vote for none of the candidates up for election.


Its people like you that give the Black Eagles an excuse to continue their existence.

Not a collaborator, eh? No, you simply chose to locate your "Caldari" corporation within the State at the height of Tibus Heth's Provist rule. Not a collaborator, but you call for sole State control over Caldari Prime despite its millions of Gallente inhabitants. Not a collaborator, but you call for "peaceful" secession of a Federation Homeworld during a time of War when the State Protectorate launches daily incursions within Intaki space.

What species of turncoat should we classify you as?

See, there was a time where you and I might have worked toward the same purpose. My early employers were led by Caldari capsuleers as well. It was a different State back then. Hell, I cut my teeth mostly doing security contracting for Lai Dai believe it or not. I drew a line, though, when it came to supporting a genocidal madman who threatened civilian populations with weapons of mass destruction.

I can think of no higher compliment for each and every candidate running for the Presidency than a licker of Provist jackboots like yourself saying they "don't feel represented."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#65 - 2015-01-29 20:24:31 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Whilst the lives of those Gallente living on Home need to be safeguarded and their rights considered

Please excuse me, Tuulinen-haan, but I strongly disagree with this.

Gallentean occupants hurt our homeworld too much. They don't respect neither our culture, history, nor our ancestors or their creations, not even Caldari peoples living there. Their presence started current conflict, when gallenteans started racist attacks on Caldari, writing everywhere stuff like "Exterminate all Caldari".

They don't deserve living there. All gallenteans on our homeworld must be exterminated, so they can go and *censored* themselves into their homeworlds. I don't care where they will go and what they will do, just not in OUR planets!

--

And to all gallente DNA bearers on Caldari Prime and other Caldari worlds I can say only one thing:

IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIVES, BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.


We return!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

DocHolliday ii
Doomheim
#66 - 2015-01-29 23:11:02 UTC
Bomb Outrage at Eliaron Idama Rally on Orvolle’s Scope Station

Orvolle – An explosion in the primary public concourse of the Scope Development Studio station orbiting Orvolle VI's first moon has struck an election day rally for presidential candidate. Three dead 12 wounded.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/bomb-outrage-at-eliaron-idama-rally-on-orvolles-scope-station/
Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#67 - 2015-01-29 23:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bataav
Rinai Vero wrote:
Its people like you that give the Black Eagles an excuse to continue their existence.

Not a collaborator, but you call for "peaceful" secession of a Federation Homeworld during a time of War when the State Protectorate launches daily incursions within Intaki space.

What species of turncoat should we classify you as?

I'm disappointed, but not surprised, to find that members of FedMil still cannot come to terms with the fact that supporting peaceful secession and self-determination for an Intaki sovereignty does not equate to collaboration with the State.

Following recent events, I would like to share my condolences with the colleagues and families of the Viriette Legion members who were injured or killed in the recent bombing in Orvolle. I have spoken in the past regarding the ILF's respect and support of Mordu's Legion efforts in the Intaki system, and I again offer my assistance to them, and their Viriette contingient in the wake of this attack.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#68 - 2015-01-29 23:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Yes, very perceptive, you managed to catch me out in a truth. Not just a truth either, you managed to get me to admit that the Caldari want their home planet back, that they are willing to accept certain conditions pertaining to the speed of the handover, Federation control over the Luminaire system and the need to be sensitive to the needs of the current indigent population. That they are happiest negotiating a settlement, but that they are willing to go to war if they cannot negotiate in good faith during peacetime.

I really did think that EVERYONE had gotten that memo by now, James. You been doing hard time, or in a wormhole somewhere?

A bit of both actually, but still. I do appreciate your honesty Pieter, in so far as it goes. You want Caldari Prime back. You’re willing to participate in any “negotiation” that give you what you want. What I am reminding my Federal brothers is that that’s not really a negotiation at all, now is it.

If we gave Caldari Prime back to the State today, in total and without condition, it wouldn’t be long before some other pretense would be used to continue its aggression. Regardless of history the State cannot be trusted to keep any peace. While you may be honorable Pieter, the State is anything but.

President Roden understands peace can only be had through strength.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#69 - 2015-01-29 23:50:42 UTC
Bataav wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Its people like you that give the Black Eagles an excuse to continue their existence.

Not a collaborator, eh? No, you simply chose to locate your "Caldari" corporation within the State at the height of Tibus Heth's Provist rule. Not a collaborator, but you call for sole State control over Caldari Prime despite its millions of Gallente inhabitants. Not a collaborator, but you call for "peaceful" secession of a Federation Homeworld during a time of War when the State Protectorate launches daily incursions within Intaki space.

What species of turncoat should we classify you as?


I'm disappointed, but not surprised, to find that members of FedMil still cannot come to terms with the fact that supporting peaceful secession and self-determination for an Intaki sovereignty does not equate to collaboration with the State.


And I, likewise, am disappointed, but not surprised to find that members of the Intaki Liberation Front are still prone to ignoring context to misrepresent their opposition. In case you didn't notice, I've added the full text of my statement that you intentionally deleted from your quotation.

Because context makes the distinction here. When Intaki Citizens within the Federation pursue political means of self determination, that is one thing. When Caldari loyalists advocate secession during a declared War between the Federal Union and Caldari State... it is quite another. DocHoliday openly espouses his loyalty to the Caldari State on his GalNet profile, then dissembles in his political statements before this body as if he were a loyal "Federation Citizen."

It is all well and good to claim the mantle of "Self Determination." Fortunately for Intaki, its people are wise enough to know what will happen to them if they follow the ILF into the arms of Caldari sympathizers like DocHoliday. That is why the majority of them have continued to support the Union. Self determination, indeed.
Vechtor
Doomheim
#70 - 2015-01-30 00:12:00 UTC
Baatav wrote:

from: this old thread
There are also remarks questioning what Intaki brings to the Federation in terms of strategic or economic value. Only yesterday a pilot claimed Intaki doesn't even have potential, saying that "...there are no significant development opportunities... ...and what little exists certainly isn't found on the homeworld itself."

I'm left wondering whether these comments, which have persisted for years, are a reflection of wider FDU opinion towards Intaki. Does it not make sense that they relocate their permanent presence to other areas, where they will be more willing and therefore effective, and allow Mordu's Legion to operate with permanent facilities in their wake, at Intaki II?


Anyone going to Intaki those days will see that Intaki continues in this condition. ILF once tried to develop a trade hub there, but now we can't find a single Cruiser hull, say a Vexor, at Astral's. I haven't seen such poor economic conditions in Intaki as I see today in ages. I'm affraid much has been gained after this new ILF generation took Saxon Hawke's place commanding ILF and IPI and "it seems" that on other issues they are doing well. But with regard to economic conditions and opportunities, Intaki is lost. Again.


Rinai Vero wrote:
It is all well and good to claim the mantle of "Self Determination." Fortunately for Intaki, its people are wise enough to know what will happen to them if they follow the ILF into the arms of Caldari sympathizers like DocHoliday. That is why the majority of them have continued to support the Union. Self determination, indeed.


ILF and IPI has failled showing all the Intaki living in the Federation what their ideas of self determination with regard to Intaki culture are. What I state is self proved by watching Intaki presence in Intaki, Intaki interests in Intaki, and so on...
Vechtor
Doomheim
#71 - 2015-01-30 00:20:05 UTC
Bataav wrote:
I'm disappointed, but not surprised, to find that members of FedMil still cannot come to terms with the fact that supporting peaceful secession and self-determination for an Intaki sovereignty does not equate to collaboration with the State.


Don't be disappointed nor surprised. FDU simply follows a pirate agenda as any other militia. They are just dogs serving politicians interests and acting piracy during their vague hours. Anyone flying in low or null security spaces should target whatever militia they encounter as Primary.



Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2015-01-30 00:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
James Syagrius wrote:

A bit of both actually, but still. I do appreciate your honesty Pieter, in so far as it goes. You want Caldari Prime back. You’re willing to participate in any “negotiation” that give you what you want. What I am reminding my Federal brothers is that that’s not really not a negotiation at all, now is it.

If we gave Caldari Prime back to the State today, in total and without condition, it wouldn’t be long before some other pretense would be used to continue its aggression. Regardless of history the State cannot be trusted to keep any peace. While you may be honorable Pieter, the State is anything but.

President Roden understands peace can only be had through strength.


To be fair, James, I can't be held responsible for what other people will do. Any push to use force to recover Home from a militaristic and warmongering Federation will have my support. Any push to use diplomacy to recover Home from a reasonable and peace loving Federation will have my support. Any push to use Senate diplomacy over Caldari Prime to create a foothold for an ill-advised military adventure with the end goal of stealing sovereign Federation space will find me implacably opposed.

We can make that a promise, if you like. I'd prefer a President who wants to be part of a peace process.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#73 - 2015-01-30 00:39:48 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


We can make that a promise, if you like. I'd prefer a President who wants to be part of a peace process.


Indeed. I am unconvinced, however, that a more "Doveish" President would actually help the process. From where I'm standing the onus of moving the process forward falls more on Caldari Megacorporate leadership than it does on any President of the Federation at this point. Why should Roden or any other President be making further conciliatory offers when so far the State hasn't held up their share of the burden?
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#74 - 2015-01-30 00:48:21 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

We can make that a promise, if you like. I'd prefer a President who wants to be part of a peace process.

Your point is fair enough Pieter. I would however remind you that the current detente has been accomplished under President Rodens stewardship. A weaker man we cannot trust to take the risks necessary, even for peace.
Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#75 - 2015-01-30 00:58:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Bataav
Rinai Vero wrote:
Fortunately for Intaki, its people are wise enough to know what will happen to them if they follow the ILF into the arms of Caldari sympathizers like DocHoliday.

Care to share your prophetic insight? Or is this another example of discredit via fear?

It's been the FedMil party line since the earliest days of the ILF that independence can only ever end with the inevitability of State membership.

It's to be expected of course, along with your endorsement of Roden for a second term. Fear of the State validates the continuation of the forever war and all that it brings.

Vechtor wrote:
ILF once tried to develop a trade hub there, but now we can't find a single Cruiser hull, say a Vexor, at Astral's.

Vechtor, it's been a long time since you left us for greener pastures.

I'm afraid you're somewhat out of date regarding the market. The IPI caters to market demand, and in Intaki that means we've been focussing more on the smaller frigate and destroyer hulls. As we approach the end of the month we're close to restocking the market and so I'll happily pass on your comments regarding Vexors. I'm sure we can look to list some for you shortly.

But this is at the very core of what is different between the IPI, and the Roden presidency with its FDU supporters.

One the one hand the IPI, and our partners, are known for the Intaki V-5 trade hub, boosting the local economy. The ILF led the Intaki Homeworld Relief Effort in the wake of the initial State invasion of Placid, and to this day we continue to challenge piracy, in support of Mordu's Legion.

The alternative is the message that despite the hugely positive steps made in Luminaire, the post-Heth State continues to be a threat to the Federation, and it is much more appropriate to have Intaki retained within a contested warzone rather than an area of development and potential.

I fully acknowledge the scale of the challenges involved, but much prefer the aspirational and progressive efforts of the Intaki independence movement over the blinkered fearmongering and naysaying commonly heard from the militias.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#76 - 2015-01-30 01:34:50 UTC
Bataav wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Fortunately for Intaki, its people are wise enough to know what will happen to them if they follow the ILF into the arms of Caldari sympathizers like DocHoliday.

Care to share your prophetic insight? Or is this another example of discredit via fear?

It's been the FedMil party line since the earliest days of the ILF that independence can only ever end with the inevitability of State membership.

It's to be expected of course, along with your endorsement of Roden for a second term. Fear of the State validates the continuation of the forever war and all that it brings.


In a perfect New Eden I would be happy to see the inhabitants of the Intaki System free from the ravages of the "Forever War" as you call it. Free also to enjoy the benefits of economic development through the continued presence of Ishukone along with the mutual benefit of continued membership in the Federation. Free from the threat of Caldari State dominance. By all means, even rely on Mordu's Legion for security.

New Eden is not, however, perfect. Despite the "Post-Heth" paradigm it is clear that there are powerful forces within the Megacorporations who would not hesitate to marginalize Ishukone and commence exploitation of every possible Intaki resource.

You may say what you like about blinkers, but had the Federal Defense Union aligned forces not broken Caldari dominance of the Warzone we would see a very different status quo in Intaki. As I said, it is telling that the Intaki people as a whole were not as eager as some to throw off all ties to the Federation. I believe they recognize the great mutual strength our people find in Unity.

The response to this recent terrorist bombing is a perfect example of that. Corporal Sotken's vigilance in discovering the bomb, and fearless sacrifice in the rescue of Ms Shiikeru are in keeping with the finest tradition of service among the Federal Marines. Her fellow veterans in the Viriette Legion (not, as was mistakenly stated, part of Mordus Legion) have all dedicated themselves to the defense of the Federation and its people. Their service is an example to us all of the determination of the Intaki people, and their honored membership in our Union.
Jukko Riis
Doomheim
#77 - 2015-01-30 01:46:15 UTC
DocHolliday ii wrote:
Bomb Outrage at Eliaron Idama Rally on Orvolle’s Scope Station

Orvolle – An explosion in the primary public concourse of the Scope Development Studio station orbiting Orvolle VI's first moon has struck an election day rally for presidential candidate. Three dead 12 wounded.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/bomb-outrage-at-eliaron-idama-rally-on-orvolles-scope-station/




Odd that this news should find itself nestled among a discussion on the Black Eagles.




DocHolliday ii
Doomheim
#78 - 2015-01-30 02:14:27 UTC
Quote:
Its people like you that give the Black Eagles an excuse to continue their existence


No Vero, im afraid to say its people like you and your support for this current goverment, that give the FIO Black Eagles an excuse to continue their existence, not i.

Quote:
DocHoliday openly espouses his loyalty to the Caldari State on his GalNet profile, then dissembles in his political statements before this body as if he were a loyal "Federation Citizen."


Rather than come and ask me first regarding my Galnet profile, you have totally misrepresented me Vero. The Pro Caldari stance is regarding the Caldari homeworld and the Federation occupation and on this issue alone. My belief it should come to an end. Having worked with the Caldari people for a long time now, before this war even started, and having lived in the State i have some empathy with them towards this issue.

I would not call myself a Caldari loyalist , or have i ever been a Heth supporter. I am just Federation citizen who i believe is allowed to have an opinion.

I have never been involved in the war, and do not intend to be so in the future. Both sides have controlled all the territories in the war zone at one point or other. No one has yet been able to keep control of them. Sooner but it seems more likely later both sides are going to have to sit down and talk.

I also would like to express the same sentiments as Bataav above regarding the bombing that has occured today in Orvolle
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#79 - 2015-01-30 02:50:36 UTC
DocHolliday ii wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Its people like you that give the Black Eagles an excuse to continue their existence


No Vero, im afraid to say its people like you and your support for this current goverment, that give the FIO Black Eagles an excuse to continue their existence, not i.


See, here's were I can demonstrate a difference between the two of us. As a Diplomatic Representative of Villore Accords, I speak for an organization that has stood against the Black Eagles publicly, even to the extent of our Executor blowing the whistle on illegal FIO operations and earning public condemnation from the FIO Operative in command. On my own personal initiative I have on repeated occasions condemned Mentas Blaque and his FIO thugs for their illegal activity. Feel free to look through the IGS archives to find even tacit support on my part.

DocHolliday ii wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
DocHoliday openly espouses his loyalty to the Caldari State on his GalNet profile, then dissembles in his political statements before this body as if he were a loyal "Federation Citizen."


Rather than come and ask me first regarding my Galnet profile, you have totally misrepresented me Vero. The Pro Caldari stance is regarding the Caldari homeworld and the Federation occupation and on this issue alone. My belief it should come to an end. Having worked with the Caldari people for a long time now, before this war even started, and having lived in the State i have some empathy with them towards this issue.

I would not call myself a Caldari loyalist , or have i ever been a Heth supporter. I am just Federation citizen who i believe is allowed to have an opinion.

I have never been involved in the war, and do not intend to be so in the future. Both sides have controlled all the territories in the war zone at one point or other. No one has yet been able to keep control of them. Sooner but it seems more likely later both sides are going to have to sit down and talk.

I also would like to express the same sentiments as Bataav above regarding the bombing that has occured today in Orvolle


Which brings us to the "misrepresentation" of your record. Perhaps you should better represent yourself? I was born on, and spent much of my youth on Caldari Prime. My father suffered first hand the indignities and casual injustices that often fell upon Caldari under the Federal Occupation. He was a "supporter of an end to Federal rule" as you put it, and I believe the current regime represents success beyond his most hopeful expectation. Unfortunately he's not alive to see it. He died at the hands of the Provists when they launched their invasion.

Your casual association with the Caldari State during Heth's rule is an insult to the memory of every soul who perished in Heth's hate fueled rampage. Gallente and Caldari alike. There was only one principled path of action in response to the Provist's rule: opposition.

That's where I part ways with the likes of you and the ILF. That's why I support the Presidency of Jacus Roden. While the collaborators and the appeasers let Tibus Heth have his way, Jacus Roden led us to victory. If it had been up to your lot, that Leviathan would still be in the sky as a symbol to all "supporters of an end to Federal rule on Caldari Prime."
Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#80 - 2015-01-30 03:15:22 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Your casual association with the Caldari State during Heth's rule is an insult to the memory of every soul who perished in Heth's hate fueled rampage. Gallente and Caldari alike. There was only one principled path of action in response to the Provist's rule: opposition.

That's where I part ways with the likes of you and the ILF. That's why I support the Presidency of Jacus Roden. While the collaborators and the appeasers let Tibus Heth have his way, Jacus Roden led us to victory. If it had been up to your lot, that Leviathan would still be in the sky as a symbol to all "supporters of an end to Federal rule on Caldari Prime."

Once again I see you trying to include the ILF as among Heth's collaborators and appeasers.

If you believe we did not share your opposition to Provist rule you really have no understanding of who we are and what we stand for.

You're the diplomatic representative for Villore Accords so stop reciting the same lines we've been hearing for years and actually engage in some diplomacy. Be the GMVA pilot that bucks the trend and approach our members in dialogue content to listen, instead of approaching our industrial ships in space content to open fire.