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Question on account sharing.

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Deus lmperator
Sick That Duck
#1 - 2011-12-20 11:51:00 UTC
Does CCP actually ban player for sharing account? I know it is against the EULA, but what happens if I do it anyway?

Assuming that I share account with other people, and won't bother the GM with petitions if I get hacked since it's my own fault, is there anything I have to worry about?

Thanks.
Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#2 - 2011-12-20 11:54:02 UTC
Guys, will I actually die if I jump off a cliff? I know it's the against laws of physics not to, but what happens if I do it anyway?

Assuming that I jump off a cliff and haven't read any physics books or science on gravity, terminal velocity etc, is there anything I have to worry about?

Thanks.

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Deus lmperator
Sick That Duck
#3 - 2011-12-20 12:00:28 UTC
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
Guys, will I actually die if I jump off a cliff? I know it's the against laws of physics not to, but what happens if I do it anyway?

Assuming that I jump off a cliff and haven't read any physics books or science on gravity, terminal velocity etc, is there anything I have to worry about?

Thanks.


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Thanks.
Liam Mirren
#4 - 2011-12-20 12:02:36 UTC
Their official stance is that it's not allowed. They have that in place so they can whack someone with a ban stick if he did something to mess up that other account. CCP doesn't give a fck if you share accounts until something goes wrong and people start petitioning that mess, then they won't have to dig through the "he said, she said" and just go "lol, it's not allowed BYE!" making it much easier on their GMs.

Exactly the same thign when it comes to character sales combined with assets/isk. Apart from the RMT issue the only reason to have that in place is to not have to deal with it more than "well, don't do it then" if something goes wrong. But you can transfer chars with isk/assets just fine, as long as you don't start whining if something goes wrong.

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Mallikanth
Wasters
#5 - 2011-12-20 12:06:42 UTC
Deus lmperator wrote:
Does CCP actually ban player for sharing account? I know it is against the EULA, but what happens if I do it anyway?

Assuming that I share account with other people, and won't bother the GM with petitions if I get hacked since it's my own fault, is there anything I have to worry about?

Thanks.


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Changed it to a funny one
Changed it again to an analogy
Gave up.

I now rely on Darwinism to take effect. Shocked

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Khimi Harar
#6 - 2011-12-20 12:15:40 UTC
Mallikanth wrote:

I now rely on Darwinism to take effect. Shocked


For me its a toss up between the Giant Spaghetti monster and Creationsim.

But OP, basicly, sharing an account allowed so if you decide to do it anyway if you run into trouble you can't go crying about it to CCP.

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Deus lmperator
Sick That Duck
#7 - 2011-12-20 12:16:25 UTC
Well, from what I understand sharing account is not allowed because the GM don't want to have to deal with the mess it could cause from people stealing other ****.

In that case I should be fine if I don't bother them if I get my **** stolen because of it, just wanted to be sure if anyone has gotten banned simply for sharing account and not because they did some suspicious activities.

To those who were trying to be funny, witty or whatever, you failed.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#8 - 2011-12-20 12:18:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Crumplecorn
If they don't know about it, you're fine.

When the other guy changes the password and keeps all your stuff and you go crying to support, they will rightfully laugh at you.

Enjoy!

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-12-20 12:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
Guys, will I actually die if I jump off a cliff? I know it's the against laws of physics not to, but what happens if I do it anyway?

Assuming that I jump off a cliff and haven't read any physics books or science on gravity, terminal velocity etc, is there anything I have to worry about?

Thanks.


There were people surviving falls of 5km and more ... so it's not against the laws of physics.
Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-20 12:30:38 UTC
Deus lmperator wrote:
Does CCP actually ban player for sharing account? I know it is against the EULA, but what happens if I do it anyway?

As long as you don't tell anyone I think it's definitely ok. Blink
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-12-20 13:33:40 UTC
Hard not to tell anyone this by posting it on a open-to-all-but-trials forum

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Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-12-20 13:51:31 UTC
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GM CiD
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2011-12-20 13:54:32 UTC  |  Edited by: GM CiD
Hi there,

Any and all account sharing is forbidden, and this is clearly stated in the EULA. The EULA can be found here:

http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp

The articles I am referring to here are articles 2 A and B.

If account sharing is discovered, accounts can be banned while the issue is being investigated and rightful ownership is being established. Whether the account stays banned or not is based on the discretion of the GM investigating the issue and is based on our internal rules and policies.

Banning accounts is something we do not do lightly and account sharing is considered to be a serious violation of the EULA

The only person that is allowed to access the account is the original owner. If we discover that an account is being accessed by anyone else than the original owner, we will look into it and take necessary action.

So to clarify what is account sharing is actually very simple. Anyone other than the original account owner accessing the account in question with the permission of the account owner is considered to be involved in account sharing. If the account is accessed without the permission of the owner of the account, the issue is considered to be account hacking.

Why is account sharing bad?

Some people believe that sharing account information with friends can help them in situations where skill training is needed and when that cyno pilot is needed, but you are studying/working or need to go to sleep since you have to show up for work/school the next day.

We see on almost daily basis cases where account sharing goes bad and and accounts and characters are stolen from their rightful owners. This can be painful for the original owner, that believed he was doing a friend a favor but suddenly finds that a 20+ million SP character has been transferred off of his account.
The issue can also be on the other end when a player receives an account from a friend that stopped playing, only to show up a few years later reclaiming the account and characters. Although we can help in some instances, more often than not things have transpired in such a way that we cannot intervene.

The account sharing can also have impact on corporations and alliances. And we have seen examples of this. Corporation wallets emptied, theft of assets, changes to infrastructure and other nasty things have happened when account information lands in the wrong hands.

Our actions are always based on the rules and policies we have and although they may feel like unforgiving and harsh, they are based on years of experience and these cases are something we try to solve with fairness in mind, but sadly we are unable to please everyone.

Reading the EULA and following it should ensure that you do not have issues with your account. If you are in doubt you can always create a petition as we are always willing to help our players resolve their problems.

Best regards,
GM Cid
EVE Online Customer Support Team
Niraia
Starcakes
Cynosural Field Theory.
#14 - 2011-12-20 14:12:33 UTC
I don't really care about this subject, but when CCP staff refuse to answer a direct question like that with a direct answer, I die a little inside. The question was will CCP ban an account for sharing, or not.

Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#15 - 2011-12-20 14:16:45 UTC
tl;dr: YES THEY WILL

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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#16 - 2011-12-20 14:26:42 UTC
Niraia wrote:
I don't really care about this subject, but when CCP staff refuse to answer a direct question like that with a direct answer, I die a little inside. The question was will CCP ban an account for sharing, or not.


Learn to read.

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Niraia
Starcakes
Cynosural Field Theory.
#17 - 2011-12-20 14:31:50 UTC
Taram Caldar wrote:
Learn to read.


You got more than "maybe" from that?

Lexmana
#18 - 2011-12-20 14:43:57 UTC
Niraia wrote:
Taram Caldar wrote:
Learn to read.


You got more than "maybe" from that?


Yes.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#19 - 2011-12-20 14:44:40 UTC
if you put a bullet in the furnace, will it explode?
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-12-20 14:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Efraya wrote:
tl;dr: YES THEY WILL

anecdotal evidence says otherwise.

Over the time I have played EVE I have noticed several occasions on which corp or alliance assets (your corp's only Orca pilot etc) were shared via account sharing as well as situations in which friends updated skills for players who couldn't log in themselves.

If CCP were actively looking to detect account sharing (storing & comparison of IPs, MAC addresses, OS fingerprints, whatever...) these people should have been investigated and received punishment. They didn't.

Therefore my belief (based on these experiences) is that while CCP can of course ban you for account sharing they usually won't do so unless the sharing results in a dispute or is explicitly brought to their attention.

I actually petitioned one instance of account sharing and the GM refused to take action against the player who had used the shared account info (the account's owner was banned because of a different issue) on the basis of a "no harm was done" argument.

Then there is the issue of sharing accounts with other household members which usually can't be detected by CCP at all...

Unconditionally saying "THEY WILL" is just wrong.
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