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One mystery at a time: Missions

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Marsan
#21 - 2015-01-27 23:44:28 UTC
A couple of notes:

1) You corporate standings have no effect on if you can get missions from an agent. What matters is that you aren't -2..0 with the faction, your personal standing with the agent, and your standing with the agent's corp.

2) A fast way to get the ability to run lvl 3/4 missions is to fleet with someone who can run missions with a given agent. Then run missions and split the reward. You will rapidly gain personal standing with the agent, and be able to mission with that agent despite low standings with the agent's corps.

3) There is a fleet finder, and fleets can in theory advertise for pilot outside their corp or alliance in the fleet advert interface. That said I've never been in a fleet with an advert that wasn't limited to corp or alliance.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#22 - 2015-01-28 19:32:43 UTC
Oh, it is possible to set a standing level for your fleet so only certain people can see / join it. You can add a "must approve" setting and "hide details" if you feel particularly paranoid that day. Our corporation usually has a Standing fleet up configured like that, so we can quicly slap some squads together to get PVP boosts rolling. To us numbers are more important then security in most cases, but for super-secret OPS we obviously set up a seperate fleet with invite-only mechanics.
Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#23 - 2015-01-28 23:33:45 UTC
Regarding ship for doing missions, should I be ok with my destroyer for L1 and L2?

Do I absolutely need a Carrier for L3?


Ps: i am limited to T1 ships for now
Marsan
#24 - 2015-01-29 03:01:24 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:

Do I absolutely need a Carrier for L3?


Yes you need Carrier for L3s. L4 need a Supercarrier. L5 need a titian or 2;-)

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Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#25 - 2015-01-29 04:18:51 UTC
Sorry...i ment Cruiser.

Always confuse those two.



Are much tougher are L2 vs L1?
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-01-29 06:18:15 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
Regarding ship for doing missions, should I be ok with my destroyer for L1 and L2?
L2's can be done in a destroyer, although for some missions it's a stretch. (E.g. Blockade)

There's no simple answer as to how much more difficult L2 missions are because not all missions are created equal. The easiest L2 combat mission is easier than the hardest L1 mission. There are even missions that can be done in a shuttle, because you can avoid combat completely.

There's also different kinds of difficulty. Some missions are difficult because of the incoming damage. Some missions are difficult because of the dps requirement to break the NPCs tank. Some are difficult because you need to know the trigger ships to avoid being overwhelmed by new spawns.

A cruiser doesn't really have more dps than a destroyer, but a much better tank and more range. Therefore, in missions with a lot of incoming damage, you'll be more comfortable in a cruiser. Those can still be done in a destroyer if you are careful and not ashamed to warp out to repair. OTOH, missions with lots of frigate NPC and not so much incoming might even be easier in a destroyer. You can go to eve-survival.org to look up each mission to know what to expect.

With L3 missions, it's similar: the easiest L3 mission is easier than the hardest L2 and while they can be done in a cruiser, you'll be more comfortable in a BC. (Especially as BC have usually more damage and more tank than Cruisers.)

For L4 missions, you generally want a BS, a T3 cruiser or an Ishtar.
Typhoid Mary
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-01-29 12:40:10 UTC
As a new player that has just gone through things like you are right now, I thought I could help out with the questions of ship classes. There is basically one of two ways of doing things...

The easy way:
Level 1: Destroyers
Level 2: Cruisers
Level 3: Battlecruisers
Level 4: Battleships

Why you should do it this way:
-- Higher Tank: You are less likely to die
-- Higher DPS: Things blow up so much faster
-- Normally faster to complete the Mission (Though not always)

The Hard Way:
Level 1: Frigate
Level 2: Destroyer
Level 3: Cruiser
Level 4: Havent done them yet so I dont know if its possible!

Why you should do it this way:
-- You are forced to pay attention to managing your tank (Shields/Armor)
-- You learn to prioritize your targets (which ones has to die first, eg webbers)
-- You are forced to learn about Resists, both your own and the rats you are facing
-- Managing your Capacitor
-- You dont just 'push orbit', you have to learn when to orbit different targets, at what distance, when to keep at range, when to fly away in a straight line (those damn spider drones and frigates) to increase your chances of hitting your target(which in turns means you are also going to be hit more often)

Overall I do not regret doing missions in a ship class below the recommended because I think I learned more than I would have in a stronger ship. Now having said all this, for some level 3 missions I have had to switch to a Battlecruiser just to make some missions faster, and for some l3's I switched from Battlecruiser to Cruiser to make it faster. There is no one 'right' ship for everything

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#28 - 2015-01-29 13:10:21 UTC
Actually,
The Hard Way:
Level 1: Frigate
Level 2: Frigate
Level 3: Assault Frigate
Level 4: Assault Frigate

quite possible,
slow going,
horribly inefficient.

You need to know the triggers fairly well and have fairly good skills but it's good for a challenge.
Marsan
#29 - 2015-01-31 01:43:59 UTC
Typhoid Mary wrote:

The Hard Way:
Level 1: Frigate
Level 2: Destroyer
Level 3: Cruiser
Level 4: Havent done them yet so I dont know if its possible!



Doing Level 4's in in a Battle Cruiser is doable, but you need to be sure you are fitting for the damage types you need to resist, and that you'll need to put out. Also you should check out the missions you take in eve survival as there are missions that are very hard to do in a battlecruiser.

PS- Level 4s are very doable in a T3 cruiser.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2015-01-31 04:07:44 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:


Your fleetmates can warp to you when you are in a mission, however, without scanning you down. This is the equivalent of sharing a quest.

Of course your fleetmates might assist you, or might be setting an elaborate trap.

They are not equivalent. In WoW when you share a quest both the person sharing and the person accepting "get" the same quest with the same objectives and are both guaranteed rewards when completed successfully.

Since in Eve someone can complete a mission and not share the rewards even though you helped them and also someone can loot your mission objective and prevent you from finishing the mission thus forcing you to take a standing hit I believe it is an important distinction to make and why I intentionally lead the OP away from that conclusion.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-01-31 04:14:28 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
"Looking for a group" in Eve Online has two equivalents:


LFG or Looking for Group is an automated system in WoW in which you queue for something and are automatically put into a group. Eve has no equivalent to that. In Eve you have to make friends. Friends are good.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2015-01-31 04:18:09 UTC
Marsan wrote:

3) There is a fleet finder, and fleets can in theory advertise for pilot outside their corp or alliance in the fleet advert interface. That said I've never been in a fleet with an advert that wasn't limited to corp or alliance.

I stand corrected. This could be used in a manner to be roughly equivalent to LFG. The fact that it almost never is used that way does not mean Eve does not have an equivalent. My apologies to Inxentas Ultramar.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-01-31 04:26:45 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
Regarding ship for doing missions, should I be ok with my destroyer for L1 and L2?

Do I absolutely need a Carrier for L3?


Ps: i am limited to T1 ships for now

Some level 4's have been done in a lone T1 frigate however that is not recommended nor easy. Destroyers can dish out lots of damage but they also typically take more damage. There are many missions that can be run easily in a frigate but be difficult in a destroyer but many missions that the destroyer can make it faster.

You can look up on your own how long it will take you to fly a T2 frigate. They are very powerful and I've run many level 3s in them with no issue.

In Eve there is no one way to do anything. However the recommended T1 ship for a level 3 would be a Battlecruiser.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-01-31 15:51:33 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Marsan wrote:

3) There is a fleet finder, and fleets can in theory advertise for pilot outside their corp or alliance in the fleet advert interface. That said I've never been in a fleet with an advert that wasn't limited to corp or alliance.

I stand corrected. This could be used in a manner to be roughly equivalent to LFG. The fact that it almost never is used that way does not mean Eve does not have an equivalent. My apologies to Inxentas Ultramar.


Issue currenty with the fleet finder:


You can't make true public adverts.


You can make adverts open based on:

Corp membership
Alliance membership
Standings set to good or excellent.

But there is no way to have an advert open to anybody....
Which is a PITA for the NPSI groups for instance, they have to manually invite people from a chat channel.

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Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#35 - 2015-02-08 22:15:30 UTC
Is it better to rush to L2 missions or quickly farm L1 missions for the storyline missions?

I must admit i find 1/2 of the L2 missions i get a little long to complete and tough with my destroyer...and I go through L1 in a matter of a couple minutes...

What are the rewards for storyline missions?


Thanks

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-02-08 22:27:12 UTC
Storyline's main reward is Faction standing.

They sometimes also hand out basic implants.


What is better, that depends why you are running missions...

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#37 - 2015-02-09 00:12:21 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
Is it better to rush to L2 missions or quickly farm L1 missions for the storyline missions?


I know this isn't particularly helpful, but you're better farming L3 distribution missions for storylines (if you're looking for standings) and L4 missions for income.

Out of L1 and L2, that is entirely dependent on your skills and the ships you can fly for those missions. The difference in reward between these missions is negligible compared to L2 vs L3 missions, which pales in comparison to L3 vs L4 missions. Most of your time completing L1 and L2 missions will be travel to and from the mission site, as well as docking/undocking.

By the time you get to L3 security missions you'll find that a larger portion of the time is spent in actual combat, and your ship, skills and fitting will have a more significant impact on ISK or standings per hour.

As others have pointed out, what is best for you depends on what you want to get out of the endeavour. If you're looking for entertainment, I'd recommend joining RvB or Faction Warfare rather than engaging in PVE activities.
Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#38 - 2015-02-09 01:44:10 UTC
How ship dependent are distribution missions?

What I mean is that for security mission you need decent ship or you won't make it in one piece. Is it the same for distribution missions?
Memphis Baas
#39 - 2015-02-09 03:50:35 UTC
For distribution missions you need a cargo ship of the appropriate size.

Quote:
Level 2 distribution missions will require up to 450m3 of cargo space (easily handled in a Probe with cargo expanders), level 3 distribution missions will require up to 4,200m3, level 4 distribution missions will require up to 8,000m3.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2015-02-09 03:51:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Pod Panik wrote:
How ship dependent are distribution missions?

What I mean is that for security mission you need decent ship or you won't make it in one piece. Is it the same for distribution missions?


Hisec distribution missions are ship dependent in the sense that the cargo can get too big for a combat ship and you need to make multiple trips or fly an Indy.

Losec distribution missions are not something to consider as a brand new player.

J'Poll wrote:
Storyline's main reward is Faction standing.

They sometimes also hand out basic implants.


What is better, that depends why you are running missions...


Got a 160 mill mining implant as a reward for a level IV Storyline combat mission a few weeks ago.

But I am like 9.9 standing with that agent.
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