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Dev Blog - A new look for EVE’s UI – feedback needed!

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Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC
#741 - 2015-01-28 23:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidyk
CCP Optimal wrote:
Caiman Graystock wrote:
This is all well and good but please revisit module icons too, they look very dated. I know there was some whinging about turret icons when you did it before... but come on, sort it out!


The idea is that actual items will still be represented by graphical icons, but everything else with cleaner, more iconic ones (such as windows in the Neocom). That being said, I'm not ruling out we might do a pass on some of our icons in the future.


Exactly. I think they most definitely doesn't look dated, they express the art and feel of eve online best. I wouldn't want any different.
Saturday Beerun
Lost Ark Enterprises
#742 - 2015-01-29 16:20:32 UTC
After giving it some time.Its horrible.Blurry transparent rubbish,with less choice.It continues in a downward spiral of uninspiring indifference.

I Want The Black Vindicator Back

Earwen Moonshadow
Evenstar Enterprises
#743 - 2015-02-05 15:37:45 UTC
Came back after several busy months, can't say I like all the interface changes. Station and Neocom buttons are now boring and hard to see IMO. I would like to have seen more window color customization not LESS. The blur effect is just plain annoying (at least that I can turn off.) Just my 2 cents.
marly cortez
Mercurialis Inc.
The Bastion
#744 - 2015-02-07 12:07:43 UTC
Bland, insipid, washed out, life less, lacking in imagination, I guess that just about covers the new UI

Humanity is the thin veneer that remains after you remove the baffled chimp.

Neutrino Sunset
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#745 - 2015-02-09 16:17:07 UTC
For the love of God please fix it so that you can sort Overview tabs individually.

I want my General navigation tab range ascending, emergency Warpout tab range descending, and Target selection tab sorted alphabetically, and I don't want to have to resort each and every tab every damn time I switch to it.
Sky Marshal
Core Industry.
Blades of Grass
#746 - 2015-02-17 16:19:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sky Marshal
Nolan Kotulan wrote:
Well, keep asking them politely, and maybe use SiSi to open feedback support tickets?!

Don't know if you figured out, but Protheus is a "small" release.
We "all" were in holidays, and CCP probably too.
I also have some bug tickets about the UI that are still open (not even attached) but I'm pretty sure they will fix them.
About more subjective "issues", like the corner brackets that I hate, I don't have much faith...

Remember that when some things don't change in the long term, it's probably because not enough people complain about them.
They can't make everybody happy, so...
But let them a bit more time before "yelling" at them...

About the window highlighting, I had the same opinion as you, but I'm now finally getting used to it...

Ask politely is very hard when it is about CCP. This company has a bad habit of forgetting/avoiding the feedback unless there is a riot (remember the micro-transactions ?), or they add it into a "list" of things to correct that they consult once a year at maximum.

The UI is a critical aspect in every software or game. They can make everyone happy on the UI if they really want to do it. About the old RGB sliders, there wasn't any better idea that them to permit a nearly perfect satisfaction. Why removing it ? To add some few themes with no differences between them, who change automatically depending of the ship you use ? Was it so hard to make them both cohabitate ? (with an option to use a fixed one-time coloring system with sliders, or to use the automatic changing system with predefined themes) ?

It is the kind of small details who can affect the popularity of a software. Windows 8 was mostly screwed because Microsoft refused to give a small option to disable the start screen and offer a real desktop interface... But not everyone will complain, SOME will do. The other ones will remain silent BUT won't buy the product OR leave, even if there are some ways to fix the annoyances (Classicshell for Windows 8)... Simple like that.

So CCP can consider that few complains means "everything is fine", it is NOT the case in reality. At this date, the UI is still screwed.

According to Eve-Offline, the level of newborns has returned to before the release of the “This is EVE” trailer (who was great). Hard to attract new players all the time into a broken game. Adding graphical contents all the time and redesign some ships CAN'T compensate the lack of the gameplay, story, bugs, UI, etc.
Nolan Kotulan
Nova Tabula Rasa
#747 - 2015-02-17 17:57:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolan Kotulan
Sky Marshal wrote:
Nolan Kotulan wrote:
Well, keep asking them politely, and maybe use SiSi to open feedback support tickets?!

Don't know if you figured out, but Protheus is a "small" release.
We "all" were in holidays, and CCP probably too.
I also have some bug tickets about the UI that are still open (not even attached) but I'm pretty sure they will fix them.
About more subjective "issues", like the corner brackets that I hate, I don't have much faith...

Remember that when some things don't change in the long term, it's probably because not enough people complain about them.
They can't make everybody happy, so...
But let them a bit more time before "yelling" at them...

About the window highlighting, I had the same opinion as you, but I'm now finally getting used to it...

Ask politely is very hard when it is about CCP. This company has a bad habit of forgetting/avoiding the feedback unless there is a riot (remember the micro-transactions ?), or they add it into a "list" of things to correct that they consult once a year at maximum.

The UI is a critical aspect in every software or game. They can make everyone happy on the UI if they really want to do it. About the old RGB sliders, there wasn't any better idea that them to permit a nearly perfect satisfaction. Why removing it ? To add some few themes with no differences between them, who change automatically depending of the ship you use ? Was it so hard to make them both cohabitate ? (with an option to use a fixed one-time coloring system with sliders, or to use the automatic changing system with predefined themes) ?

It is the kind of small details who can affect the popularity of a software. Windows 8 was mostly screwed because Microsoft refused to give a small option to disable the start screen and offer a real desktop interface... But not everyone will complain, SOME will do. The other ones will remain silent BUT won't buy the product OR leave, even if there are some ways to fix the annoyances (Classicshell for Windows 8)... Simple like that.

So CCP can consider that few complains means "everything is fine", it is NOT the case in reality. At this date, the UI is still screwed.

According to Eve-Offline, the level of newborns has returned to before the release of the “This is EVE” trailer (who was great). Hard to attract new players all the time into a broken game. Adding graphical contents all the time and redesign some ships CAN'T compensate the lack of the gameplay, story, bugs, UI, etc.


I disagree on almost everything but the lack of options. Too tired and sick actually to take the time to argue more, sorry.

You can't make everybody happy, never, and Windows 8 is great and a lot more ergonomic than any other OS once you do the effort to adapt to it. And it isn't definitely the new UI that make the game less actractive than it was before, if it really is, what I don't think is true.

Edit: I admit to agree too about the fact that devs obviously prefer to add useless new graphical features (which are badly designed almost all (i.e: the new warp tunnel reflects on hull)) instead of taking a bit of their time to correct older more or less small issues. The game actually looks great so they should now take the time to fix older stuff instead of adding undesired useless graphical features.

P.S.: I'm a relatively new player (one year) so it is too soon for me to "spit" on CCP's work now. I think there is a little bit of truth on both sides of players' opinions about CCP. I think they do some really great job and make great game additions but also don't take enough time to fix older stuff, that's true. I have read about the Monocle's Gate and all that stuff, but I personnaly wasn't here at this time, so, as I already said, I'm gonna wait before getting "really angry" about them without any real good reason...

Per aspera ad astra

Sky Marshal
Core Industry.
Blades of Grass
#748 - 2015-02-18 01:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sky Marshal
Nolan Kotulan wrote:
I disagree on almost everything but the lack of options. Too tired and sick actually to take the time to argue more, sorry.

You can't make everybody happy, never, and Windows 8 is great and a lot more ergonomic than any other OS once you do the effort to adapt to it. And it isn't definitely the new UI that make the game less actractive than it was before, if it really is, what I don't think is true.

Edit: I admit to agree too about the fact that devs obviously prefer to add useless new graphical features (which are badly designed almost all (i.e: the new warp tunnel reflects on hull)) instead of taking a bit of their time to correct older more or less small issues. The game actually looks great so they should now take the time to fix older stuff instead of adding undesired useless graphical features.

P.S.: I'm a relatively new player (one year) so it is too soon for me to "spit" on CCP's work now. I think there is a little bit of truth on both sides of players' opinions about CCP. I think they do some really great job and make great game additions but also don't take enough time to fix older stuff, that's true. I have read about the Monocle's Gate and all that stuff, but I personnaly wasn't here at this time, so, as I already said, I'm gonna wait before getting "really angry" about them without any real good reason...

As a technician, all I heard about Windows 8 was about the UI. Sometimes it was about a very slow speed but it was a classical hard drive failure or a malware infection... A standard customer don't know anything about the "engine" of 7 and 8, even the task manager is unknown for them (one of the progress between this two), etc. Only the UI is really visible and so criticized. Months after Windows 8 was released, computer resellers in France didn't have any other choices than sell computers with 7 licences too, and they are still available. Hopefully, Windows 10 will offer this damn option that they SHOULD have added since DAY ONE, if they weren't stupid nor stubborn... Trying to force all desktop users to apply tablet logic and moves was a stupid idea anyway, apart for Microsoft twisted logic...

I hope that it will serve as a good lesson for any other company. Don't do stupid moves like that without offering options.

For the rest of your text, especialy the end, well... don't worry, it will come in due time Blink
Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#749 - 2015-02-20 03:16:48 UTC
What was wrong with sliders, that offered everything with fine grained level of control ?
Why not support both alternatives through the magic of a checkbox ?

What was wrong with icons using colors ?
Why not support both alternatives through the magic of a checkbox ?

Jita Flipping Inc.: Kovl & Kuvl

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#750 - 2015-02-20 06:00:39 UTC
Soltys wrote:
What was wrong with sliders, that offered everything with fine grained level of control ?
Why not support both alternatives through the magic of a checkbox ?

What was wrong with icons using colors ?
Why not support both alternatives through the magic of a checkbox ?


Minimalist standardization.

CCP is following current trends - Only problem is, trends, like fashion can change quite quickly.
Once the current trend becomes outmoded by the next "it's the best thing since sliced bread" trend CCP will again follow what ever trend is current. All we can do is wait and hope the next "big thing" will be something that is more user friendly and appeals to more than the designers.

There is something somewhere (linked by a dev pages ago) showing the current icons and UI effects are the best for some reason - but - I imagine it was written by the guy who thought up the idea that boring single color similar looking icons and limited UI options was a good idea. (it may be a little biased)

So based on information from "some guy" who wrote something on the ever reliable and never wrong wiki pedia, the brains at CCP decided to change what were perfectly good easily recognizable icons into a boring eyesore, whether players like it or not..

We are obviously moving closer to the bottom rung of the ladder when it comes to having a say in what we pay for.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#751 - 2015-02-20 11:43:51 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Soltys wrote:
What was wrong with sliders, that offered everything with fine grained level of control ?
Why not support both alternatives through the magic of a checkbox ?

What was wrong with icons using colors ?
Why not support both alternatives through the magic of a checkbox ?


Minimalist standardization.

CCP is following current trends - Only problem is, trends, like fashion can change quite quickly.
Once the current trend becomes outmoded by the next "it's the best thing since sliced bread" trend CCP will again follow what ever trend is current. All we can do is wait and hope the next "big thing" will be something that is more user friendly and appeals to more than the designers.


I know, the question was more rhethorical - though still aimed at CCP to take a step back and perhaps think a little bit.

Quote:
There is something somewhere (linked by a dev pages ago) showing the current icons and UI effects are the best for some reason - but - I imagine it was written by the guy who thought up the idea that boring single color similar looking icons and limited UI options was a good idea. (it may be a little biased)


Yeah here. The guy should learn the difference between "improving something" and "ramming something down one's throat" + "dumbing down". Having both icon sets to choose hurts no one (it's a cost of adding one dropbox to be able to choose different sets - or even better - allow players to use their own as well should they want it). Same goes for sliders vs. rigid color presets (matter of e.g. "advanced colorization" checkbox - analogous to what they have in audio section - both simple controls and fine grained ones).

Jita Flipping Inc.: Kovl & Kuvl

Winter Unicorn
Requiem For Freedom
#752 - 2015-02-21 06:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Winter Unicorn
How can I adjust the theme colors? Is it in the plans? Current static color schemes are ugly for me. Darkening (when modal messages appear), flashing - all this annoying and terrible. Can I disable it?

_Обвинение компании в неуважении игроков, является недопустимым на форуме (с) Сотрудник CCP _

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#753 - 2015-02-21 08:09:52 UTC
Winter Unicorn wrote:
How can I adjust the theme colors? Is it in the plans? Current static color schemes are ugly for me. Darkening (when modal messages appear), flashing - all this annoying and terrible. Can I disable it?

Set your graphics to the lowest possible settings - Set for performance works for me, it disables or at least reduces all the flashing and the drab colors are just drab.

All I want is a way to turn off the vomit inducing warp effect.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Koebmand
Silverflames
#754 - 2015-03-03 19:40:32 UTC
Can we get different colored icons back?

Tired of having to find the 8th monochrome blob instead of the upper of the 2 brown ones.

No, I do not want to make my Neocom 4 inches wide so it becomes easy to recognize the pictures.

thowlimer
Roprocor Ltd
#755 - 2015-03-06 23:58:32 UTC
Whether by color or using some kind of delimiter(thick line between every third button ?)
it would be nice for quick reference.
Usually you learn that the button in _that_ place is the one you want, as they are presently
its mostly a greyish blur that i have to focus on in order to find which one i need.

As i have said before its not so much the new icons or the lack of color, it is the fact that
when you have the buttons sized so the neocom dont fill the whole screen they are to small
to quickly differentiate between.
This goes fort the new ship icons as well, the idea is nice, but with the size that they are
in nirmal game play, for me, they are just to damn small and turn into a reddish blur that is
even less useful than the old crosses.

I suggest that the next time you create icons/buttons make sure that they are actually visible
and ideally unique in shape/color so that you do not have to squint in order to be able to
see which one is which. What i mean is make ones that work for the smallest size first
then make a larger version that can be vectored, do not start with a large one that you then
downsize. Doing it the other way around might prevent you from creating buttons/icons that
actually work when they are at their smallest size too, rather than the present ones which
look very nice whan 3-5 times larger than the size they have in game, but gets awfully blurry
and indistinct when scaled down to their actual size.
Phice Anxu
Genetix Research Corporation
#756 - 2015-03-10 02:11:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Phice Anxu
Ok so no news since my last post (december)... no RGB sliders nor anything who isn't stupidly dark... no colorful icons like Chribba ones... Well, as usual CCP prefer doing a bad job.

Thanks CCP for breaking something who worked FINE and for acting like ******
Akulx
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#757 - 2015-04-26 15:25:11 UTC
CCP, please make the windows detachable. Many players have multiple screens; being able to grag a window to a second monitor would certainly make the UI more usable.
John Lawyer
Doomheim
#758 - 2015-06-15 09:26:25 UTC
Greetings!
So, about RGB sliders?.. I'll take one ;)
Any news about the progress in this direction (UI customization)?
Would be great to have such possibility.