EVE New Citizens Q&A

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It sounds like your corp is primarily PVE focused. This is a PVP game at its core. If you decide to branch out into PVP you will find that cooperation is close to mandatory for most forms of combat. Proper fleets have many different roles that need to be filled - scout, tackle, dps, logistics, ewar, boosting, etc. Given two equal fleets (haha), the more coordinated one will always win.

Sure, some forms of PVE require fleet cooperation - incursions, wormhole sites, level 5s, etc. However, in my opinion these will never be as thrilling as player combat, no matter how difficult they are or how much cooperation they require. As you said, you might as well just multibox and make better isk/hr.

Even production/industry IMO provide better opportunities for cooperation than combat PVE.

SP and ISK are grinding metrics, akin to other MMOs. EVE is not a grinding MMO - at least the good parts of it aren't. If you find yourself bored from grinding you need to try something new. Also, if the extent of your interaction with your corporation is frivolous "scouting" to "keep you busy", you should consider looking for a better corporation that will get you more involved. Remember, it's a two way street. You'll also need to put in the effort to involve yourself, because few corporations will go out of their way to train a new player that doesn't bother to participate. However, I have seen new players that play a huge role in their corporations, quickly becoming invaluable in a scout/tackle role. You could be the one that pushes your corp-mates to try something new and interesting. Ask if they want to take a roam through low-sec or try some wormhole diving.

A billion ISK is PLENTY to start PVPing. I suggest you stop making money for a bit and go spend some. If you really hate the idea of combat, there are other ways to shake up your gameplay and avoid grinding. Production and trade are interesting ways to make money. Exploration is slightly more interesting than combat grinding because it will take you through dangerous space where you will be forced to interact with other players (though I will never fully board that hype-train because I find the mini-game insufferable).

TLDR - Don't grind. If you are bored, you are either doing the wrong activity or doing it with the wrong people, or both. People are the content in EVE.

When my main character was young, the way I built up a corporation of about 50 members was by running level 2 missions in a system that also had level 1s, and inviting the newbies who I'd see around the station to join me in my L2 missions. We'd fleet up, they'd learn a little bit about fleet boosting, tackling, coordinating primary targets, etc., and often join my fledgling corporation. I was just chatting with them in local or inviting them to private conversations. It's not hard.

If you want to be doing things cooperatively with strangers, just ask! If I were in local with you and you asked for fleetmates to do missions or something, I'd probably be glad to join you. (If you asked me to go to lowsec with you, I'd be a bit more wary...)

*cough* public roams / public incursion fleets.
*cough* anybody can fleet with anybody if you ask
*cough* anybody can make or join community chat channels.


So, seriously, there are many tools to do group stuff, even when not in a corp / not in the same corp etc.

That people mostly play alone / with their own corp, doesnt mean it isnt there.

People tend to PvE alone cause you can solo most PvE and doing as a group only hurts your income.

P.s. EVE is a PvP game in its core, so the PvE is just a "side activity" by design...

'Like' for the good attitude - welcome to Eve.

Are you in a player owned corp? If no, that may be your problem. If yes, then you may want to look for a corp where everyone is not so independent.

That certainly is a sensible way to design a game if you want the player to be free and not force them into specific mechanism. I'm just a bit underwhelmed with the end result, where it looks like every player fend for themselves outside of corps/alliance boundaries.

Speaking of which, I very well know that my corp is a size below critical mass and further more we are only 4 active players left at that point. In due time i may look elsewhere for a more active corporation but really i'd enjoy some "pick up" action in the meantime. From the response in this thread it looks like it may exist but I have yet to find it.

I'll give you that the game does wind up being very corp / alliance / coalition based but what you are basically saying here is that outside all of the group activities there are no group activities.

I'll try to word this more clearly. Eve is extremely focused on group player activities. Any thing that you want to do in this game of any significance requires you to coordinate your efforts with other players. While this mechanic which forces cooperation does exist there are very few in game tools to facilitate this. How this ends up is people not only need to work together to get stuff done they need to work together on working together. What I mean is you have to figure out how to make it happen.

Public roams which split up the loot evenly happen all the time. There are null sec groups in game that will provide ship replacements for people outside any official structure ( corp, alliance, coaliton ) that roam with them to defend their space. When corps get war deced it's not uncommon for other corps / alliance to offer to join the fight and help some for a fee and some for free. There are entire communities and sub communities that exist in the incursion aspect of this game that get non-affiliated individuals working together on group content and a permanent basis.

For me personally when I was first playing this game I had a guy randomly start a convo with me and ask if I wanted to salvage his missions for him. He must have seen that I was new and in a mission hub system but regardless his reasoning he asked if I wanted to loot and salvage his missions for him and split the isk. I said yes, he fleeted me, I made bookmarks of all of his mission pockets and looted and salvaged all of his missions and after he logged off I sold all the stuff and split the isk. This was back before the noctis or the MTU existed so it was more of a job and before the loot nerf so it was more profitable. So anyway the next day when the guy logged in and saw that I paid him a fair amount he asked if I wanted to do it again. I made more isk than I could have running missions on my own. He made more isk than he could have alone because he could chain run them and not have to stop and loot but still was able to get half of the loot value.

Group content happens outside corps and alliances all the time in this game. The only difference is that none of it is spoon fed to you. This is not WoW. There are no queueable battlegrounds there is no LFR. Anything you want to do in this game ultimately requires you to do it with other players and there are almost no game mechanics to facilitate this. Learn how to make friends or find another game those are your options but Eve is heavily group focused.

I would argue that forcing players to have to figure out how to work together makes it a far more group focused game. Go play any other game that you can just queue for something and have some group just automatically created and to me that group barely feels like a group. Now go on a public roam or roam with some twitch streamer or go make a day trip into a wormhole with some random friends you made you will see what real group activities are.

To me queue for some group stuff in other games is like going to the movies by yourself and because of the fact that you are in a theater with other people claiming that it is a group activity.