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CSM X - What are you voting for?

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#201 - 2015-01-27 18:55:01 UTC
This thread looks like it could be rather interesting.

Oddly enough, the more people have told me how terrible I am, how I would be a bad CSM and so forth without even putting forward a discussion, the more determined I have become to get votes.
When I look at what they do say and who they support, it makes me more concerned for the future of CSM and EVE as a whole.

Thanks guys for motivating me to re-double my efforts. Smile

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#202 - 2015-01-27 19:17:13 UTC
I think there may have been one occasion, that I agreed with something you said. But what it was, escapes me now.

I sincerely hope you do not win a seat. In my honest opinion, you have a toxic approach to many subjects and for that alone, it's a no vote from me.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#203 - 2015-01-27 22:36:35 UTC
I think you misunderstand Jen, I do plan on voting for some people one might consider to be my enemies. There are some carebears who's opinions and views I value. You are not one of them.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#204 - 2015-01-27 22:38:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Tengu Grib wrote:
I think you misunderstand Jen, I do plan on voting for some people one might consider to be my enemies. There are some carebears who's opinions and views I value. You are not one of them.
Tora and Sabriz aren't carebears and nor am I Blink
My signature is tongue in cheek.

"Themepark! Themepark!" Yeah? Absorb modules that are aimed mostly at making null sec blobs more tactical is carebear?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#205 - 2015-01-27 22:47:36 UTC
Carebear is a state of mind.

And you reek of it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Dradis Aulmais
Serious Non-stop Espionage and Kidnapping
#206 - 2015-01-27 23:23:19 UTC
I don't undertand your voting system. Wouldn't the the group with the larger number of active voters put their candidate in? If say goons have 200 active vote ballots and high sec has 100 and they vote against eachc other goons would win by their numbers so how does that change anything

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#207 - 2015-01-28 00:16:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
I don't undertand your voting system. Wouldn't the the group with the larger number of active voters put their candidate in? If say goons have 200 active vote ballots and high sec has 100 and they vote against eachc other goons would win by their numbers so how does that change anything
There would be too many candidates to down vote them all using one coalition.



I had CODE. join me in a channel today. Quite a noisy bunch and people were resorting to convos but I will give due, they were rather polite.
The funny part was, what they were saying, it almost sounded like this:
Quote:
Hello sir / madam,
Have you heard about our lord and saviour 'James 315'?
We wish to discuss Permits with you.
We hope you will accept the New Code into your heart.
Thanks for the amusement guys. Big smile

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#208 - 2015-01-28 01:26:49 UTC
With all the noise about high sec dunking, I thought gankers might want to show how hardcore they are. Blink

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2015-01-28 07:03:35 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
I think you misunderstand Jen, I do plan on voting for some people one might consider to be my enemies. There are some carebears who's opinions and views I value. You are not one of them.
Tora and Sabriz aren't carebears and nor am I Blink
My signature is tongue in cheek.

"Themepark! Themepark!" Yeah? Absorb modules that are aimed mostly at making null sec blobs more tactical is carebear?

Wouldn't hurt to try a little harder to not sound like a carebear. When you're a highsec candidate, you already inherit a negative stigma, and people come to your platform looking to verify their fears and topple you. To rise above that, you have to go out of your way to convince them that they have you pegged wrong. Now you can stick to your guns against the hordes of sheeple and declare that their prejudice is not your fault till the end of the world, but it will just leave you with about the same level of progress as Xenuria. Or, you can take a lesson from the popular highsec candidate Mike Azariah (#1 on my list {Sabriz is #0}) and downplay your being a highsec candidate and instead focusing on inclusiveness and telling them what they want to hear. Mike wants to be able to log in and mine and hang out with friends and chat, but he doesn't call himself a mining candidate. He hates gankers and wants em all to DIAF but he listens to them and takes a glance from their standpoint. He includes them among his followers and seeks out ways to better their experience, too. After all, they are EVE players and they have a vote, as well as every right to enjoy the game their way.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Jenshae Chiroptera
#210 - 2015-01-28 16:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
I think you misunderstand Jen, I do plan on voting for some people one might consider to be my enemies. There are some carebears who's opinions and views I value. You are not one of them.
Tora and Sabriz aren't carebears and nor am I Blink
My signature is tongue in cheek.

"Themepark! Themepark!" Yeah? Absorb modules that are aimed mostly at making null sec blobs more tactical is carebear?

Wouldn't hurt to try a little harder to not sound like a carebear. When you're a highsec candidate, you already inherit a negative stigma, ....

I have ganked. There was a guy who had a way of farming newbies, (not the usual bait cans and such) I won't repeat it because it is still possible. I was caught and really remembered it.
Six months later, I made a veteran friend and they bought us some pilots and PLEX to run them. Between being in the alliance and repeating things said by them about each other and ganking their gate camps repeatedly we managed to tear the rotting corpse of maggots apart.

I wouldn't be caught dead in a RL social situation with those guys.

Lol

Now this is a story all about how
my life got flip-turned upside - down,
and I'd like to take a minute just sit right there,
I'll tell you how I became
the eccentric of an alliance called Volt-aire

In West Amarr, not born but raised, in

High Secwas where I spent someof my days,
.....
As a newbie, I got into a corp that was quite focused on mining.
Chillin' out, maxin' relaxin', around in a belt, chatting about politics, our lives, sharing youtube links, et cetera.
It was very social. Bear
When a couple of guys,
they were up to no good, started making trouble in the neighbourhood,
Shocked
Someone had declared war on us. They did it knowing that we had no ships or skills to fight back so we had to hide and hide and hide. I think half of those original people are still hiding, bouncing from corp to corp and leaving as soon as a war is declared.
However!
Some of us started training combat ships! X <-- scary face.

I do not remember if it was the first one or one of the subsequent ones but they didn't like it and dropped the war. Not the soft target they expected. We started liking it and looked for corps the same size as us to declare war on.
(I think at this point we made two corps, one for miners and one for fighters that could join under an alliance of the miners had war declared on them)

I think my most exhilarating PVP was in 10 to 15 people vs about as many. Solo fights i don't really care but with a gang you can see your impact in the battle.
I would jump the gate first with a Cyclone and break cloak first, be primary.
Then it was on!
Had to hold my tank long enough for my gang to break the primary of the other gang. Over heat, cap boost, orbit around, trying to be close enough to be a threat at the same time.

We had no logi. It was always a case of kill or be killed.

My CO saw one little worm hole
and got excited and said,
"Ya movin' wit ya corp mates to

Worm Holesover there."

I begged and pleaded, with him
day after day, but he packed his suitcase and
took himself away.


I think he was in there for only a few months before he decide a C2 linked to high sec and C3s were not good enough and he wanted a C4 link. Off he went to do it mostly solo while most of the ones that had moved to the first worm hole system left.
I was mostly solo in a worm hole that was burnt out, war declare on it, the POS fuel was taken out of it, everything stolen and stranded for weeks without a good exit (how many times can it link to high sec island!?) full of loot, all my ships and you end up being very paranoid.

It was there that I became very generalised. Could solo everything in the Class 2 with my Cyclone, salvage, analyse, hack, mine (both ore and gas) started doing Plantary Interactions.

Then he wanted everyone in incursions. I stayed in the worm hole. Then he wanted everyone to move to Null Security space as renters.
I had a huge argument with him about how he was spreading us thin, everywhere and most of us didn't have enough SP to do most of the things he wanted done.

I had already joined VC Academy but I left HW and joined them again in a final parting. There was so much antagonism against me for standing up to him and being sensible, it was astounding.
The alliance did implode in Null Sec and I am not surprised in the least. It was pretty much exactly as I said it would happen.

Spend some more time living in high sec while I was in VC Academy, did it basically solo except for meeting up for some PVP operations and helping newbies.
I had to take a break from EVE (involving a hospital - totally fine now)

I put my walk man on and
said, "I might as well kick it"
First fleet, yo
this is bad,
Drinkin' orange juice out of
a champagne glass,

Is this what the
people of Volt-aire
livin' like?

Hmmm... this might be alright.


Null Sec

I lead some fleets, there is a standing fleet that we rotate FCs in.
Often fly logi in main fleets or
in defense fleets scout and direct from a suicide bomber,
so the things you see on my kill board are a drop in the ocean.

Loads and loads of organising.

Arrow However, essentially, I would say I am mostly a worm hole / null sec player.

I can understand and remember how horrible it was at times as a new player, especially the time I nearly quit. On the forums there is so much posturing and the most aggressive voices tend to be the loudest, so I end up arguing against them for the most part and landing up in the carebear seat.

In fleets? "Jen, that is too evil," is said quite a lot. Twisted

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#211 - 2015-01-29 15:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
One person's take on why people quit EVE.

The commentary is pretty slow and dreary, so I will give you the highlights of the complaints:

1) Difference in skill points between veterans and newbies
2) They want to get into a capital ship and wipe out whole gangs and fleets solo.
3) EVE is a harsh game translates to CCP developers do not care about their players.
4) There is not enough spoon feeding of new players and leading them by the nose, telling them what to do next.
5) EVE is too slow and boring.
6) Their favourite ship, which they are emotionally attached to is lost.
7) Fitting takes too long.
8) Lose their battleship and all their ISK

1) As he says, he puts most of his skills into PVE. Personally, I have so few skill points that anyone who focuses on missions and Incursions will over take me in a year.
You do not need a lot of skill points. You need a good fit for a ship that falls within that skill limitation and your budget.
2) Welcome to the entitled immediate gratification generation. Need I say more or can I just ask them to try EVE again when they have grown up a bit?
3) I feel CCP is a mixed bag of people just doing their jobs but by and large they are passionate about their work. There is also a thin like that they walk; one hand they can be considered too but on the other people can think they have gone too carebear and are turning EVE into a theme park.
4) Newbie free for all, for a day in a seperate sector of space / tutorial area? Virtual worlds to have the freedom that you do not have in real life?
5) EVE is not a first person space shooter. It is a tactical and strategic (maybe a tactical and political) game. There is so very much to do, you just have to figure out all the stuff. I have so many things to do right now regarding EVE that I don't make much in the way of ISK at all.
Talk to people! Get involved in things! This is not designed to be a solo game. If you make it into a solo game of you versus and asteroid or the rats in the same missions; then obviously you will become bored!
6) Salvage the old ship if you can and build some of the next one from that. Continue the generations. I give my ships Roman numerals to see what version of one I am on.
7) We could do with a replicate option. Buy multiple fits into one giant container, set one up then sourcing from there drag the fit onto other ships that are the same. A bit like how blue prints work, checking that you have all the bits and pieces.
8) Similar to 2) they want to get into a bigger and what they believe is a safer ship.
Please CCP add some tank and weapon requirements. 8 days to sit in a battleship is really bad for the game.

One comment that stood out, "Every other game is based on WoW except for EVE," I am not sure if the cracking sound was my skull or my desk. How are people believing that? Shocked

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#212 - 2015-01-29 15:44:58 UTC
Getting veterans out of the nest.

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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#213 - 2015-01-29 16:05:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
i would recommend you not schill your campaign in the newbro sub forum,
You looked worse than the socialist party farming drunken teenagers on the weekend for petition signatures on things no one in their right mind would sign (dublin is a silly place).

exept less funny.

-1 vote for you madame.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#214 - 2015-01-29 16:07:11 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
i would recommend you not schill your campaign in the newbro sub forum,
You looked worse than the socialist party farming drunken teenagers on the weekend for petition signatures on things no one in their right mind would sign (dublin is a silly place).

exept less funny.

-1 vote for you madame.


This.

Have some class.

Grrr.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#215 - 2015-01-29 16:15:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I would recommend that you not shill hawk your campaign in the newbro_ player sub forum,
You looked appear worse than the socialist party (political flame bait) farming soliciting drunken teenagers on the weekend for signatures to petition against things no one in their right mind wouldshould sign (dublin is a silly place) (Meaningless geographical reference that no one cares about).
Except this was less funny.
-1 vote for you madame.

*Shrugs*

I don't expect to win a seat.
At this point, this thread is turning into a pseudo blog.

Edit: When you attempt to lecture me and actually believe I will care, at least attempt to write in a coherent fashion.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#216 - 2015-01-29 18:46:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Original post updated.

... and shutting down the forums for the day. Too much yammering and not enough playing lately.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#217 - 2015-01-29 19:00:34 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I would recommend that you not shill hawk your campaign in the newbro_ player sub forum,
You looked appear worse than the socialist party (political flame bait) farming soliciting drunken teenagers on the weekend for signatures to petition against things no one in their right mind wouldshould sign (dublin is a silly place) (Meaningless geographical reference that no one cares about).
Except this was less funny.
-1 vote for you madame.

*Shrugs*

I don't expect to win a seat.
At this point, this thread is turning into a pseudo blog.

Edit: When you attempt to lecture me and actually believe I will care, at least attempt to write in a coherent fashion.

no I ment what I said as I said it (and as an ardant socialist so keep your flamebait ).

If you can't even be relied upon to address what was said to you in a straight forward answer, why in the name of jamil should anyone want you near a representative position.
J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#218 - 2015-01-29 19:49:13 UTC
What a bunch of crap.

If this makes the CSM, it shows how bad people are at making choices.

-infinity

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2015-01-29 20:17:22 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I have ganked. . .

Your story is surprisingly similar to mine! I also watched my original corpmates run and hide when we got into a war. I had intended to troll them with evasive mining ships (we were a mining corp) and ride it out, but two things disappointed me:
1.) I never saw a war target, despite spending a considerable amount of time in our known home system
2.) the corp evaporated and I had to leave as the CEO was repurposing the skeleton for other things

I got into wormhole space a couple of times and also used a cyclone for its versatility, though I mostly went that path because I love versatile ships. I made a masterpiece Swiss Army Ship out of a Myrmidon to which Ossian Boone, a corpmate, said the memorable quote which now sits in my bio. That ship was lost on its maiden voyage to a ganker I didn't see coming, and it got no further than partway through a class 1 combat site.

I later went into nullsec but I got with a sub-alliance of IT Alliance right before the catastrophic topple and then Gentlemen's Agreement afterward, and finally in Test. I found out about Providence during my time in Test after I had joined Dromedaworks, and after I was already giving up on trying to unite highsec players into a fighting force to combat highsec piracy. I dream that in another life I could have been very happy in Providence, but I'm also happy in Test--and the two seem diametrically opposed to each other.

More recently I am postulating getting involved in some CODE. activities. I like their stance on punishing AFK "gameplay" and teaching newer players how to fit and fly defensively. I'd be more lenient perhaps, focusing on the teaching and doing less of the mafia-style extortion. But it'll perhaps provide me with some networking to help me find people to gank with me when I go ouot to shoot bot miners--which gets me to my last point:

I have also ganked. My first blood happened when I was jet-can mining in a Retriever and a guy came by in an Iteron Mk 3 and stole my ore. I did what I normally do, continue as if nothing happened. He came back for more. So I went to station and fit a warp scrambler. Sure enough, he comes for a third helping. He didn't get away with it. I later was mining in Tekaima (I don't only mine but it fuels my need to gank it seems) and was really fed up with all the bot miners moving in and constantly clearing out the ore. Couldn't talk to them, there was nobody present. So I got with a guy who was willing to gank with me, we went up against hulks each in a catalyst. I first selected targets carefully and gave them several minutes to respond, and then when I was convinced they were bot miners, I got him over to help gank.

Good fun. I am interested to see that you and I have a rather similar history, though it divides suddenly when we enter Nullsec. You're one of the good guys now and I'm one of the bad guys. :(

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Jenshae Chiroptera
#220 - 2015-01-30 23:37:45 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I have ganked. . .
Good fun. I am interested to see that you and I have a rather similar history, though it divides suddenly when we enter Nullsec. You're one of the good guys now and I'm one of the bad guys. :(
You just keep jumping up and down on that side of the seesaw, I will keep bouncing on this side and maybe we can balance the force! LolBlink

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