Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Then reduce the bonus to 15%. That's still a 17.5k range without boosts. You could still reach out and snag someone.

Neuts are definitely E-war. By the very definition:

"Electronic warfare (EW) is any action involving the use of the electromagnetic spectrum or directed energy to control the spectrum, attack an enemy, or impede enemy assaults via the spectrum."

Ripping someone's energy away so they can't run their ship, and sometimes weapons and modules, is definitely the dictionary definition of e-war.

No. Lasers are not E-war. E-war is using energy to disable an opponent. Neuts do that. And if neuts aren't e-war, then why don't any of the other races get bonuses to them? No one gets bonuses to neuts except Amarr or Amarr-based pirates. Everyone knows that neuts are an Amarr thing, scrams are a Gallente thing, and webs are a Minmatar thing.

You guys are having misunderstanding in terminology.

In real life, neuts would be considered e-war because they are used to cripple your enemy without doing damage

In Eve (as far as game rules are concerned) they are not e-war which is why you can use them against ships which are "immune to all forms of electronic warfare", and this also explains why they are listed under engineering equipment and not electronic warfare.

As a side note YAY 1000 likes!!

Actually, I don't' think that would be insane at all. Are you really going to tell me that celestis-level damps would be better than a 45k range warp disruptor? Because I'll have to vociferously disagree with that. If double is too much, let's reduce it. What about 15%?

Poping a ship is not disabling it? and as far as the game is concerned nuets are not E-war if they were then under current mechanics the game would break. I'm not talking bout what race uses what just what is the primary E-war of minmatar and what would be more balanced.




Now a web bonus is exceedingly powerful especially range bonuses. on a cheap ship it would be easy to spam these and put a wall up in front of your Logi in large fights.

or in small fights/solo you can now stop your direct counter (frigs/cruisers) before many of them even get close to their optimal range.


TP are still have a great effect for projectiles but aren't nearly as strong as webs

You don't see that happening currently, because not only is it difficult, but it's neither cost-effective, nor possible with anything but lokis or rapiers/huginns. Nobody would do this with bhaalghorns, even if they were the same price as a tempest. 20k web range is just not far enough to do what your talking about. It just doesn't work for that.

Frigates are not, nor should they be, a 'direct counter' to battleships. There should not be direct counters to anything in eve. That is what CCP has been trying to avoid, as they should.

people do do this though and quite a lot even with bhaals

20km is a long range when you have your net 30-40k in front of your logi

or in a lot of cases its fencing sub caps off from blap dreads

and i'm sorry i used poor wording not direct counter just main counter

I've never seen it once, in quite a few large-scale battles, and countless low-sec engagements, but I'll concede that it might happen. Why not 15% per level then? At 17.5k, it would be useful for that, but barely, and the skill would have to by high to make it work, but it would still be extremely useful for small gang.

Plus, last I heard, wasn't everyone crying that battleships don't have a place in eve any longer?

Edit: When I say skill, I mean actual human pilot skill, not SP.

Here's the thing, I dont have too many problems with a 17.5 km webbing battleship. The problem is that quickly becomes 36 km with a faction web and gang links, and it becomes 45 km with heat.

The only other ships that can do that (and not explode when someone looks at them wrong) are 500 million ISK+

a faction web is what 36-56 mill that's not and not what i would lovely KM worthy

and price is not a balancing factor