Player Features and Ideas Discussion

- If buying CONCORD weakens it else where, who do you thinks going to buy up all the protection? CODE with their billions, or new players, casual players and space poor miners/haulers?

- Industrial groups are already competing with each other by fighting over rocks, competing on the market, surviving ganks and war decs and not being bumped. Yes, Ganking is healthy danger that promotes competition.

- If you want to shake up high sec, promote mechanics that enable destruction to fuel the economy, promote mechanics that enable ganking, promote mechanics that enable war decs. High sec is allegedly the tamest its ever been and now we have rumors of subscriptions falling.

A lot of solo hi-sec miners I think are here because they enjoy the atmosphere of the game, they enjoy being part of it, and providing valuable resources to other players, but are the sorts of players who don't have the ability to provide the intent focus that other activities (like PvP) require. They may need to multi-task while playing, they may have too many external distractions and occasions to need to go AFK for a few minutes (whether they dock up or not). They may only be able to log in at unscheduled inconsistent times. These are things which do not lend themselves well to many other group activities within EVE, many of which again require much more focus to not only be successful with but to not aggravate your fellow group members.

If they find they can't do this in somewhat relative peace and safety (without completely eliminating risk of course), then they may become frustrated and leave. Ganking should always be a possibility, but it should become much more risky, deleterious, and costly to the gankers than it currently is. This idea I proposed puts this in the players hands to not only better mitigate their risks if they choose (beyond what they can already do), but increases the uncertainty and risk to potential gankers.

The OP's post is based on the assumption that there something wrong with current hisec ganking mechanics that in turn needs to be fixed. I find this assumption to be flawed.

As the true ruler of the Amarr Empire my word on this matter is final.

They already have all the tools needed to mitigate risk. A tanked skiff is comically unprofitable to gank and your chances of losing it to gankers are indistinguishable from zero.

This proposal is just "ISK-tanking" and would provide protection to older, established players leaving the poor new player more vulnerable to gankers.

Ganking of miners, even untanked ones, is already unprofitable or just marginally profitable in almost all cases. How much more "costly" do you want to make it?

OP, I'm somewhat sympathetic, but I agree with other posters that NPC intervention isn't the answer. How about this?:

Holoprojection Module I: your ship appears to be of a different model and fit to all observers both visually and on scans. The effect is canceled by any hostile action on your part.

So you can take your favorite PvP-fitted, expendable ship and make it look like an untanked, mining-optimized AFK Hulk. When the ganker comes along and targets you, SURPRISE!!

Perhaps you would only have the module buttons of the illusory ship, which of course can only mine illusory ore/ice that vanishes on contact with the cargo hold.

Since you're going to use this specific example, I would have to insist that if such a module/system did exist, it would also cease to function when you did something like activate links. The best way to balance a "holoprojection module" is to have it function like a cloak - you can roam around with it active but you can't actually activate any modules without disengaging it first.

Lol the first people that are going to wine about this are the miners who suddenly get killed when that newbro in the venture turns out to be a cat.



lets face it there are already ways to bait out a gank and trap them but miners never do it others do it sure but most miners would rather just mine

I actually like this suggestion. I mean with a few minor adjustments already pointed out, this idea could have some potential to it.

Doubt it, alts (optionally recycled as not evading any security hits, just intel) in ventures are already the go to for warpins for the catalysts.