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Unique ships going out of fashion?

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HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-01-23 17:57:27 UTC
herb aderp wrote:
Im 90% sure this is going to happen

People with current unique skin ships such as the 'quafe edition' megathron ..... will log in one day after the patch ... and see a normal megathron where their quafe edition megathron was once docked. What they will find instead is that they wont have to purchase the Quafe edition skin as it will already be active on their account.

Tbh this change is a no brainer, CCP would be stupid to keep the current ships as separate just so that the whiny Speculators dont lose any isk. Speculators need to realize that this is the price you pay when you play the speculation game ... if you cant deal with change then GTFO already.


Glad you're so certain of your own speculation. Historically CCP has done a good job of maintaining value of items bought with real world cash. Reason being is that If they pulled the carpet from underneath the feet of these players they would lose that real world profit in the future as consumers will not make purchases if the value of the goods are unacceptably unpredictable.. It has a lot more to do with CCP's bottom line and being solvent as a real world company then it does player speculation in a fantasy world.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#22 - 2015-01-23 19:23:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
Yea, a Megathron Quafe costs 1.5 bn isk.

Having each existing Megathron Quafe turn into a licence will in fact have more people want to buy them, which (independently) would make the price rise.
And since the number of people that currently burn through a number of Megathron Quafe each year is probably very small, the down pressure on the price from them now having a licence should be small.
Combine these two factors and I will hypothesise that the price would remain quite stable.

Again, the crucial point is, are there any ship types that CCP will *re-release* as licences in larger numbers than they currently exist in the game? That is the only factor that would collapse prices for the more expensive ships.

Perhaps they are not planning to do any re-releases at all when they introduce licences, her statement only says that some ships will be turned over to the new licence system and others will "remain unique". After having thought about it during this thread, it should mean only cheap ships will see a down pressure on their price in my opinion (TM).

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Marsan
#23 - 2015-01-23 19:44:37 UTC
The OP is taking a comment out context. What is going to happen is the ships with only cosmetic changes will be converted to a ship and a skin. Ships like the gnosis won't go away as there is no base model to skin. The unique ships that have better attributes will stay as they are. Do I know for 100%. No, but CCP is not entirely stupid when it comes to these things. They've been pretty good about it in the past.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#24 - 2015-01-23 19:54:31 UTC
Marsan wrote:
The OP is taking a comment out context. What is going to happen is the ships with only cosmetic changes will be converted to a ship and a skin. Ships like the gnosis won't go away as there is no base model to skin. The unique ships that have better attributes will stay as they are. Do I know for 100%. No, but CCP is not entirely stupid when it comes to these things. They've been pretty good about it in the past.

Yea I do agree that I maybe read too much into that comment.

My channel: "Signatures" -
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#25 - 2015-01-24 08:21:10 UTC
Cista2 wrote:

But.... I am just speculating :)


a guardian vexor is a different ship to a vexor, dif attributes etc, a quafe edition vexor is a skin, of a .... vexor.

undock much?

my post questions why a moron would make such a thread (this is your thread), only someone heavily invested in these things would make such a thread.

a skin, is an option, as in, not bought or sold on the player market, only the NEX store. you are butthurt at the possibilty of these ships, something tangible (now), turning into a skin option, something that can't be sold.

it's worthless coz it can't be sold.

a guardian vexor has a dif slot layout and bonuses, so its unique. you don;t see the megathron federate issue on the picture do you?

if you still need reading lessons speak up, it's all p clear on the blog post & ronukens post.

@JerryTPepridge
Marsan
#26 - 2015-01-26 22:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
Stupid Forum issues.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Marsan
#27 - 2015-01-26 22:15:33 UTC
It's entirely clear you cansell licenses. The devblog states:

"With the new SKIN system you will buy a license to use a specific design or pattern for a ship. You then apply that license to your character and then your character will be licensed to use that design whenever you wish. For now the licenses are permanent and cannot be removed from your character once applied. Even if your character loses their pod and dies or jump clones around they still have the license to use all their SKINs. The licenses themselves can still be traded on the market, contracts, and all other ways before being applied to your character."

So what is likely to happen is your ship with a special paint will turn into a ship and a license. You can then sell the license if you want or apply it.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Jan VanRijkdom
House VanRijkdom Trading Conglomerate
#28 - 2015-01-26 23:58:23 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Cista2 wrote:

But.... I am just speculating :)


a guardian vexor is a different ship to a vexor, dif attributes etc, a quafe edition vexor is a skin, of a .... vexor.

undock much?

my post questions why a moron would make such a thread (this is your thread), only someone heavily invested in these things would make such a thread.

a skin, is an option, as in, not bought or sold on the player market, only the NEX store. you are butthurt at the possibilty of these ships, something tangible (now), turning into a skin option, something that can't be sold.

it's worthless coz it can't be sold.

a guardian vexor has a dif slot layout and bonuses, so its unique. you don;t see the megathron federate issue on the picture do you?

if you still need reading lessons speak up, it's all p clear on the blog post & ronukens post.


I can't see any good reason for your petty hostile reaction. Needing attention or something?

Yes, incomprehensibly it would seem to to your chagrin some players have lots of isk invested in ships under the current system, as a collectible or means of holding isk as an asset.

OP is simply asking a reasonable question. Nothing too hard to understand, and certainly something that makes you look childish for getting your panties twisted about. Doesn't make any sense.

Unfortunately I do think the NES store current skins ships will be converted to license, so holding more than 1 may not yield further benefits other than having another copy of base ships.

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Cista2
EVE Museum
#29 - 2015-01-27 07:38:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
Jan VanRijkdom wrote:
Unfortunately I do think the NES store current skins ships will be converted to license, so holding more than 1 may not yield further benefits other than having another copy of base ships.

Yes.
However, I have realised that any ship not currently for sale will in fact increase in value because of this, *if not re-released*. As most owners will go ahead and apply their license, those ships will be permanently removed from the market = fewer ships to buy = higher prices.
In addition, a guy with 5 bn isk to his credit would rather buy his dream ship for 1 bn isk if it is a licence so he knows he can fly it and never lose it. Which means higher demand from first-time buyers = higher prices.

And I think I misunderstood what the CCP spokesperson meant with some ships losing their uniqueness.
I took it to mean that some ships that are now limited in numbers would be resold or redistributed.
But probably she simply meant that some skin ships would go from being one "unique" ship to one licence, without any form of re-release.

To sum up, after this thread I am now optimistic about price developments :)
(until they start re-releasing sh*t)

My channel: "Signatures" -
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#30 - 2015-01-27 10:47:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
Marsan wrote:
It's entirely clear you cansell licenses.


???? your own post says its permanent once applied.

Marsan wrote:

The devblog states:

"With the new SKIN system you will buy a license to use a specific design or pattern for a ship. You then apply that license to your character and then your character will be licensed to use that design whenever you wish. For now the licenses are permanent and cannot be removed from your character once applied. Even if your character loses their pod and dies or jump clones around they still have the license to use all their SKINs. The licenses themselves can still be traded on the market, contracts, and all other ways before being applied to your character."

So what is likely to happen is your ship with a special paint will turn into a ship and a license. You can then sell the license if you want or apply it.


could be already applied ships = insta lisence learned too. seeing as they are only really replacing the blueprint with the license.

if you hold the blueprints now, id say they will become the licenses. but ships already converted, should be a licence already learned.

its logical.

mad?

nothing in the blogs say anything about already converted ships? i cbf looking.

@JerryTPepridge
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#31 - 2015-01-27 10:50:55 UTC
Jan VanRijkdom wrote:

I can't see any good reason for your petty hostile reaction. Needing attention or something?

Yes, incomprehensibly it would seem to to your chagrin some players have lots of isk invested in ships under the current system, as a collectible or means of holding isk as an asset.

OP is simply asking a reasonable question. Nothing too hard to understand, and certainly something that makes you look childish for getting your panties twisted about. Doesn't make any sense.

Unfortunately I do think the NES store current skins ships will be converted to license, so holding more than 1 may not yield further benefits other than having another copy of base ships.


I can't see any reason for your white knight post either? looking forward to posting in your upcoming bond thread.

this is a pseudo manipulation thread, hence why i am here.

lurk moar


@JerryTPepridge
Jan VanRijkdom
House VanRijkdom Trading Conglomerate
#32 - 2015-01-27 23:54:51 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Jan VanRijkdom wrote:

I can't see any good reason for your petty hostile reaction. Needing attention or something?

Yes, incomprehensibly it would seem to to your chagrin some players have lots of isk invested in ships under the current system, as a collectible or means of holding isk as an asset.

OP is simply asking a reasonable question. Nothing too hard to understand, and certainly something that makes you look childish for getting your panties twisted about. Doesn't make any sense.

Unfortunately I do think the NES store current skins ships will be converted to license, so holding more than 1 may not yield further benefits other than having another copy of base ships.


I can't see any reason for your white knight post either? looking forward to posting in your upcoming bond thread.

this is a pseudo manipulation thread, hence why i am here.

lurk moar




I have no interest in Bonds for myself. Too much work to be held responsible.

The reason for my post is I can't stand people who feel the need to have a problem with something for no good reason. It is simply irritating people, (you're not unique, don't worry), who insist on getting offended or getting upset for no reason, and simply are attention whores.

You're entitled to your opinion, but your demeanor is very sophomoric. That's all. I simply wished to put in a word for the OP who you decided to blast in a manner of pseudo superiority. I'm all for being right when you're right, but we're discussing opinions and you took up to berating a very simple concept and question as if you couldn't comprehend why it was being asked.

I think it is a very relevant topic that I am surprised wasn't/isn't being discussed more, as it could affect a lot of holdings.

Annnwwyyaay.

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