Ships & Modules

Hey guys,

Me again, looking for something the accept duels and the like in, I know Battleships aren't really good in solo PvP, but this is something i want to do, I am do not have an PvP skills, but i am quite good at PvE (clearing Level 4's in 20-30 minutes solo) so i want to focus on those skills with out ruining my focus towards PvE.

So i thought the Scorpion has ECM bonuses and is a tough ship, so i was wondering, is it a good ship for solo PvP? Just perma-jam the opponent and if it is a Frigate send the Drones after it, use a Warp Scram or Disruptor to stop them running, maybe a Web too, and either 4 HAM launchers, or 4 Cruise Missiles (for other BS's), and throw on a Heavy Neut to take care of their Cap.

Just wondering if anyone has any idea's on fits, or advice regarding this, and yes, i know i will get some insults about using a BS but i don't really care, i am expecting it, but yeah, thanks for taking time to read this, i hope to hear from you soon!

And there is one of the BS PvP haters..

A Battleship is cheap enough to replace, and can't be taken out by a Frigate, not before i lock and turn off his ability to target me, after that, it's just Drones and hammering, this would be for duels, not for roams or anything.

im not a BS pvp hater

im a soloscorpbecauseidontunderstandthegame hater.

also people who make fits just for duels, don't be one of those people.

1) you cant permajam everything, tested this with one of my corpmates , anything with a sensor strength of around 40+ will shake the jams off intermittently.

hell my legion will melt a scorpion, if theirs links on my end (and there usually are) you would be lucky to get one at all

2) solo is still alive and well just hard.
i saw someone bring a nestor (yes a nestor) into our lowsec system and kicked the russians around the system with it for about half anhoure before leaving (intact).

the scorp is not the ship you are looking for.

maby Armageddon or the typhoon?

Since you think you know what you're talking about I will give you what you want:

1. Solo PvP means you will have to either fit multispec jammers or one of each racial jammer. if you do not then any ship you've not got a racial jammer on will just rip you a new one.

2. ECM modules take up midslots. Therefore you are basically BARRED from using a shield tank since you will need point, propulsion and most likely a web as well.

3. Following on from the previous point, you therefore MUST use an armour tank, this leaves you very little in terms of DPS mods as a scorp only has 5 low slots.

4. ECM is not guaranteed to work every cycle. Just to give you an idea: an all 5s pilot has 5.25 multispec Jam strength in a scorpion. A racial specific jammer has 7.875 strength. To put this in perspective, an incursus (T1 frigate) has BASE 9 sensor strength.

5. In addition to point 3, as you are using an armour tank you will have no slots for ECM improvement modules so your sensor strength is just the base hull bonus.

6. ECM does not work how you think. You don't just add the jam strength together. Every ECM module's chance to jam a ship is mutually exclusive of the rest.

What you should learn from this:

Stop trying to make a multipurpose ship. You will end up with a steaming pile of junk that's just absolute garbage at everything.

Instead you should be playing to the ship's strengths and utilising them to their maximum effect, as was intended.

This i understand, in my Corporation we stick to our racial ships, so i would know who i am duelling, and if not the exact ship, then the race and class at least, also on that, rainbow configuration is standard config for and all comers ship, Multispec configuration is usefull in small gangs as you can jam out more, as Racial jammers kinda suck against other races, like using the Radar one against Gallente for instance, i understand this.

This i know, and you don't need a shield tank if you opponent can't target you, and with 4-5 ECM modules, on staggered config, then you will have a hard time getting a lock, especially if i was an all V's pilot, and yes, as i said in the OP, Web and Scram or Point, don't need to point out not being able to shield tank, i already knew that.



Don't have to tank at all, you can ECM tank, it is solo PvP, if i have 4-5 Racial Jammers, hell even Multispec with full Distortion suite and for this, lets say i have Level 5 BS skills, that gives me 15% per BS level to ECM strength, then Distortions add an addition 10% with a stacking penalty (i do not know if this stacks with the BS level one though..).



This i also know, hence why in staggered config with multispecs against, for example and Armageddon i should be jamming him 19% for each cycle, more i think, but math isn't my strong point, and if i have racials it is close to 33% of the time, with 5, that is almost guaranteed to jam per the full suite cycling.



Adding to my point, you can ECM tank, if he can't hit you then you don't need a tank, even though i can run a 4 racial jammer suite and still come out with over 100k EHP and 60+ resists.. So yeah.. Not great, but enough to hold till i get a lock.



I know how ECM works, i have been using it in PvE for a while, and i have been reading EVE Uni's stuff on ECM talking to a friend of mine who is his Corporation ECM pilot, he has never used it in solo though so he wasn't sure, but on paper based of what i can work out, a Frigate will be perma-jammed, and a BS maybe 30% chance per full cycle.

Im not trying to make a multi-purpose ship.. I am trying to make a ECM Battleship into a ECM Battleship, playing to the ships strengths, and using them for maximum strength, putting DPS modules or Shield modules on a ship that has all bonus's to ECM is stupid, yes you tank a bit where possible, but for solo it should be unnecessary, and test it out against a Frigate, everything i have tried works great, reason for this thread was to see what people thought of it, obviously people think it sucks, but people used to think SB sucked before Rooks and Kings made there tactics, same with half their tactics and doctrines, despite what you say, you cannot kill a ship that is jamming you 90% of the time, not before its guns kill you.

So you're saying in a situation when you know exactly what you're fighting, have time to refit to the right jammers and then the opponent is still willing to fight?

Most pointless thing I've heard in a long time.

They can fight you in this and win:

[Velator, test]
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Damage Control II

Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Hobgoblin II x2

like honestly, I'll go fit this up and duel you right now if you want.

post the results here please (ill find the lossmail myself)

And when the Armageddon sticks 5 heavy or sentry drones on you?