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should CCP get rid of the PLEX system?

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Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-01-24 11:41:11 UTC
No. I love the plex system.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#22 - 2015-01-24 13:07:18 UTC
Confirming there was no such thing as alts before PLEX.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2015-01-24 14:02:25 UTC
CCP should:

1. Get rid of PLEX completely.
2. Allow players to buy gametime and other services directly with Aurum, in different durations. 7 days, 14 days, 30 days, etc. With the more gametime you buy, the less Aurum it costs per day.
3. Allow Aurum to be traded on the market like PLEX are now.

Benefit being that instead of three 'currencies' being in circulation there will only be two. Sadly in the CSM minutes CCP mentioned that they had no intention of allowing Aurum to be traded for ISK. I don't understand why because it would work exactly the same as PLEX do right now, but without the hassle of juggling three currencies around.

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-01-24 14:07:09 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
CCP should:

1. Get rid of PLEX completely.
2. Allow players to buy gametime and other services directly with Aurum, in different durations. 7 days, 14 days, 30 days, etc. With the more gametime you buy, the less Aurum it costs per day.
3. Allow Aurum to be traded on the market like PLEX are now.

Benefit being that instead of three 'currencies' being in circulation there will only be two. Sadly in the CSM minutes CCP mentioned that they had no intention of allowing Aurum to be traded for ISK. I don't understand why because it would work exactly the same as PLEX do right now, but without the hassle of juggling three currencies around.


Sooo, 7 days would be like 1000, 14 days 900 and 30 days 800 AUR?
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2015-01-24 14:14:11 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
CCP should:

1. Get rid of PLEX completely.
2. Allow players to buy gametime and other services directly with Aurum, in different durations. 7 days, 14 days, 30 days, etc. With the more gametime you buy, the less Aurum it costs per day.
3. Allow Aurum to be traded on the market like PLEX are now.

Benefit being that instead of three 'currencies' being in circulation there will only be two. Sadly in the CSM minutes CCP mentioned that they had no intention of allowing Aurum to be traded for ISK. I don't understand why because it would work exactly the same as PLEX do right now, but without the hassle of juggling three currencies around.


Sooo, 7 days would be like 1000, 14 days 900 and 30 days 800 AUR?


Something like that, I don't know the exact conversion rate from Dollar to Aurum atm, but you get the idea.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-01-24 15:22:56 UTC
I only have 1 question for the OP, adn this is serious, no troll.

OP, exactly what drugs are legal in your country, and how much do you think you spend on them monthly?
Druadan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-01-24 15:47:28 UTC
PLEX being able to be bought with ISK is fantastic. I've never made use of it myself, but it's good for the game. It's an ISK sink, removing ISK from the game for an item generated to be exhausted by its use.

PLEX being able to be bought with real money and then sold for ISK is horrible. It's pay to win. That said, I'm not sure what a good alternative to fighting ISK sellers is. Aside from extensive propogation of the warning that CCP will find you and they will remove the bought ISK. Back in the day, we only ever heard about it when the ISK buyer went to the forum to complain.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-01-24 15:53:52 UTC
Druadan wrote:
PLEX being able to be bought with ISK is fantastic. I've never made use of it myself, but it's good for the game. It's an ISK sink, removing ISK from the game for an item generated to be exhausted by its use.

PLEX being able to be bought with real money and then sold for ISK is horrible. It's pay to win. That said, I'm not sure what a good alternative to fighting ISK sellers is. Aside from extensive propogation of the warning that CCP will find you and they will remove the bought ISK. Back in the day, we only ever heard about it when the ISK buyer went to the forum to complain.


You do realize that the first part isn't how PLEX works. It works like your 2nd paragraph.

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Adunh Slavy
#29 - 2015-01-24 16:40:43 UTC
waflat maplat wrote:
should CCP get rid of the PLEX system?

I have been thinking, would it not be better if CCP would get rid of the PLEX system and allow players to buy ISK straight from CCP?


Not only no, but hell no.

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TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2015-01-24 17:24:09 UTC
No.
I can not afford to grind missions for hours and hours. I basicly run on plex.

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Memphis Baas
#31 - 2015-01-24 17:40:45 UTC
No.

They should add more things that can be bought with PLEX or Aurum.

They should get off their lazy bums and add more outfits to the Nex store, add the paint skins in-game, and expand the store so it's easier to preview and buy, so there are sales events and limited time outfits, and so on.

It's less effort to add wearable outfits, because they don't have to "balance" them like they have to balance ships. And they can get soo much money from them, IF the interface allows people to preview and shop with no inconveniences.

Also, that list of pilots docked in the station where I am, make a big ass hall with some tables, chairs, and couches, and let us hang out in 3d showing our outfits instead of just a list. Optionally, of course.
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-01-24 17:48:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Solops Crendraven
waflat maplat wrote:
should CCP get rid of the PLEX system?

I have been thinking, would it not be better if CCP would get rid of the PLEX system and allow players to buy ISK straight from CCP?
It would solve some of the issue groups have with multi client players, because they make everything cheap on the market which is wrong (i do not like cheap pvp).

What can be solved in a more durable game play in the long run.

Ganker alt; It would reduce them, so the real gankers with real fleets can do their thing instead multi-account
(gankers who live in high sec as care bear but gank with an alt they would not pay for it in the first place if they had to).
Trading alts; it would reduce them so real traders can trade instead alts just to PLEX.
It will bring back real Scouting or camping done by real groups of different people instead AFK alt camping or scouting gates while bein in NPC corporations and their mains at war for example.
Pve; it would reduce single player fleets/multi-accounts so they cant feed the market that fast to just PLEX and because that make everything cheap (harcore working eve player does not like cheap stuff).
Incursion runners; it would reduce single player/multi client fleets so they cant feed the market to just PLEX and make everything cheap, those that dont want to pay for their accounts need other real players in the fleet.
Faction warfare, maybe we get real war instead multi clients disgusting camping plex crap
Miner alt; it would solve that as well, those that really like to mine would pay for all their miners instead mining to plex.

all above would solve a lot disgusting stuff going on in the game because alts and PLEX.

maybe if CCP would get rid of the PLEX system, the plex greed would be gone and maybe we would get a better game play where everything does not depend on PLEX.
people who want to pay for multi clients will pay for them and use them more wise.

i think buying ISK from CCP instead of buying PLEX to sell on the market would make the game maybe better in the long run, and everyone just pay for their accounts or those who want to pay for them.

this would be the solution for a lot of big groups in the game, since it would bring in less what they hate in the game, which is everything.
maybe it will bring the real game play back instead all of the players just grind for the PLEX and becouse that the market becomes overloaded and to cheap.
And so some groups can be happy because it would feed the market less because the mindless grind in the game all for the PLEX would be gone and everything would be more expensive which we all love.


CCP would still have the same income becouse we can buy ISK from them. i suggest 1.5B for 20$
so all the mindless grind in the game would be gone becouse no player ever has to grind for plex anymore Shocked


Should it be open for discussion? share your opinion please. Bear

Should CCP get rid of the PLEX system?Definitely Yes! However Expect the Eves Fan Boys to Go Up in Arms about this.everything else you said didnt make sense.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2015-01-24 17:48:51 UTC
waflat maplat wrote:
should CCP get rid of the PLEX system?

I have been thinking, would it not be better if CCP would get rid of the PLEX system and allow players to buy ISK straight from CCP?
It would solve some of the issue groups have with multi client players, because they make everything cheap on the market which is wrong (i do not like cheap pvp).

What can be solved in a more durable game play in the long run.

Ganker alt; It would reduce them, so the real gankers with real fleets can do their thing instead multi-account
(gankers who live in high sec as care bear but gank with an alt they would not pay for it in the first place if they had to).
Trading alts; it would reduce them so real traders can trade instead alts just to PLEX.
It will bring back real Scouting or camping done by real groups of different people instead AFK alt camping or scouting gates while bein in NPC corporations and their mains at war for example.
Pve; it would reduce single player fleets/multi-accounts so they cant feed the market that fast to just PLEX and because that make everything cheap (harcore working eve player does not like cheap stuff).
Incursion runners; it would reduce single player/multi client fleets so they cant feed the market to just PLEX and make everything cheap, those that dont want to pay for their accounts need other real players in the fleet.
Faction warfare, maybe we get real war instead multi clients disgusting camping plex crap
Miner alt; it would solve that as well, those that really like to mine would pay for all their miners instead mining to plex.

all above would solve a lot disgusting stuff going on in the game because alts and PLEX.

maybe if CCP would get rid of the PLEX system, the plex greed would be gone and maybe we would get a better game play where everything does not depend on PLEX.
people who want to pay for multi clients will pay for them and use them more wise.

i think buying ISK from CCP instead of buying PLEX to sell on the market would make the game maybe better in the long run, and everyone just pay for their accounts or those who want to pay for them.

this would be the solution for a lot of big groups in the game, since it would bring in less what they hate in the game, which is everything.
maybe it will bring the real game play back instead all of the players just grind for the PLEX and becouse that the market becomes overloaded and to cheap.
And so some groups can be happy because it would feed the market less because the mindless grind in the game all for the PLEX would be gone and everything would be more expensive which we all love.


CCP would still have the same income becouse we can buy ISK from them. i suggest 1.5B for 20$
so all the mindless grind in the game would be gone becouse no player ever has to grind for plex anymore Shocked


Should it be open for discussion? share your opinion please. Bear



Here is why: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1542767

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Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-01-24 17:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Solops Crendraven
Provence Tristram wrote:
No. I love the plex system.

I Have No Love For The Plex system.Not At All.

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Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-01-24 17:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Druadan wrote:
PLEX being able to be bought with real money and then sold for ISK is horrible. It's pay to win.
More like pay to lose or for somebody else to win.

Certainly you can buy PLEX from CCP and sell it for isk to buy shiny stuff, Eve being Eve the chances are that somebody will promptly remove said shiny stuff from you; especially if you're of the mindset that purple stuff = instant win or don't have the knowledge to use it properly.

It can also pay for alt accounts that you can use for multiboxing etc, unfortunately that comes with an efficiency hit, multiple actual people are more effective than 1 person and multiple accounts

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#36 - 2015-01-24 18:31:34 UTC
I'm actually amazed that the original purpose of PLEX (which it is still performing) has not been mentioned yet.

PLEX was made to fight Real Money Trading.


Instead of having farmers sell ISK to other players for their own profit (taking money away from CCP and destabilizing the in-game market) PLEX allows CCP to keep all money within the game itself (because you are paying CCP for the gametime) and create a new in-game market cycle/ecosystem.


In a way it is genius. And I'm quite surprised that very few other MMOs have replicated this system.


As for the rest of it...

- alts have always been a part of the game. They existed well before PLEX... they would exist well after.

- ganking alts, trading alts, hauling alts, etc... they can exist on the other character slots on a single account. All that you need to do is pause the training of your main character for a month or two (if you don't want to pay for multi-character training).
After that alt has all the necessary skills... you can switch training back to the main character.

- people will still continue to camp, gouge, scam, gank, and generally be greedy. We are humans after all.

- CCP tries to avoid adding ISK "faucets" whenever possible. As it stands now... PLEX is actually a little bit of an ISK "sink" because no new ISK is generated out of "thin air" (ISK is merely transferred from one person to another) and taxes/fees will take a small cut out any PLEX sales on the market.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2015-01-24 18:43:43 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:


In a way it is genius. And I'm quite surprised that very few other MMOs have replicated this system.


I used to wonder why as well, but most MMOs don't have anything like a functional economy.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#38 - 2015-01-24 18:48:25 UTC
Incidentally, this discussion is all pretty hypothetical, because CCP absolutely cannot afford to remove the PLEX system. The last numbers we were given showed CCP getting abbout 25% of their revenue from PLEX, and if you think they're in a position to walk away from that then perhaps you should sit and think about the likely consequences for a bit before posting again.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#39 - 2015-01-25 05:01:55 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
CCP should:

1. Get rid of PLEX completely.
2. Allow players to buy gametime and other services directly with Aurum, in different durations. 7 days, 14 days, 30 days, etc. With the more gametime you buy, the less Aurum it costs per day.
3. Allow Aurum to be traded on the market like PLEX are now.

Benefit being that instead of three 'currencies' being in circulation there will only be two. Sadly in the CSM minutes CCP mentioned that they had no intention of allowing Aurum to be traded for ISK. I don't understand why because it would work exactly the same as PLEX do right now, but without the hassle of juggling three currencies around.

How would new Arum enter the game? Right now you get it from PLEX, and the PLEX is created via real money.
Would you just sell 3500 Arum for $19.95?

And I think CCP should allow Arum to ISK exchange.

As for the OP, I think I get what he is saying: Quite a bit of game play centers around either making ISK for the sole purpose of PLEXing your account, or using PLEX to have a huge number of accounts. Sure people make ISK for other reasons, and have multiple accounts even without PLEXing them, but there is quite a bit centered around PLEX.

But his alternative, having CCP create ISK for money, is far far worse.

I PLEX my accounts, and I get the ISK from industry. I am not doing an ISK creating activity to get my PLEX. Other players do the same, or get the ISK via trading. Not all PLEX is bought with activities that create new ISK.

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#40 - 2015-01-25 07:37:12 UTC
waflat maplat wrote:
Should CCP get rid of the PLEX system?
No.

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