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Question about PVP

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Ruinoso
Silver Talon
#1 - 2015-01-22 20:33:43 UTC
I've mostly used my EVE time thus far to acquire mining skills, but have recently been researching skills for PVP. The only trouble is, I'm not sure which direction I should really go. I like missiles (generally speaking, and have begun investing skills time in that direction), but have heard bad things about them for PVP. I'm also a lone-wolf-style player, not really interested in being part of "hunter pack" or anything like that. So any PVP I'll engage in, I'll likely be the only one on my side.

What ship(s), skills, weapon types, etc., would best fit what I've briefly described? Any (sincere) advice or perspectives would be very appreciated.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#2 - 2015-01-22 20:41:03 UTC
If you are soloing the easiest and safest way to pvp is to kite. Stay at range with fast ships so you can escape easily if it turns to be more than you can chew.

Light missile Condor and kestrel are good starting points then you can dabble into Omens, Vagabonds, Huggins as you get the skills.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2015-01-22 20:41:42 UTC
Your best ship , friendship, skills would be anything that enables the ship thing to happen again.
Ruinoso
Silver Talon
#4 - 2015-01-22 20:44:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruinoso
Icarus Able wrote:
If you are soloing the easiest and safest way to pvp is to kite. Stay at range with fast ships so you can escape easily if it turns to be more than you can chew.

Light missile Condor and kestrel are good starting points then you can dabble into Omens, Vagabonds, Huggins as you get the skills.

Thanks for the input. Any thoughts on the utility of missiles beyond starting out with them? I'm afraid I've wasted a bunch of skill-researching time getting them going. If they're good for starters, but don't hold their own against a variety of targets...
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-01-22 20:53:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Solops Crendraven
Ruinoso wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
If you are soloing the easiest and safest way to pvp is to kite. Stay at range with fast ships so you can escape easily if it turns to be more than you can chew.

Light missile Condor and kestrel are good starting points then you can dabble into Omens, Vagabonds, Huggins as you get the skills.

Thanks for the input. Any thoughts on the utility of missiles beyond starting out with them? I'm afraid I've wasted a bunch of skill-researching time getting them going. If they're good for starters, but don't hold their own against a variety of targets...

To bad CCP didnt have a Skill reset To reallocate all my Skills out of Mining and Industry what a waste of ISK.If i wouldve Known Better I wouldve Stuck To PVP Skills.The alternative would be to buy a Toon at the Bazaar However That can be quite Expensive.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#6 - 2015-01-22 20:57:30 UTC
Missiles are fine for PvP. Some of the most popular PvP ships right now, especially for solo / small gang stuff revolve around missiles. Additionally, game balance is in a spot where all weapon types/sizes have at least one ship on which they work well. There are very few ways you can go wrong as far as usable PvP ships go.

A word about "lone wolf" PvP: remember that that is just a restriction on yourself, not a restriction on everyone else. PvP in Eve is never fair, and getting a numeric advantage is always a good way to tip the scales in your favor. By choosing to be solo, you are automatically tipping the scales toward your opponents.

That said, solo PvP is exhilarating and challenging. Relying on your own skills, limited intel, and instinct breeds a fun experience. It is just difficult to regularly win doing so.

As others have said, I also recommend a corporation, though. There are corporations dedicated to being groups of mostly solo PvPers, which offer you other support -- supplies, a staging area, and people to talk to about your victories and defeats in order to learn more out of them. A lot of PvP is "trial and error" and lends itself very well to getting feedback from both enemies and allies.

Good luck and fly dangerous!

ISD LackOfFaith

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.

Valkin Mordirc
#7 - 2015-01-22 21:06:18 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
If you are soloing the easiest and safest way to pvp is to kite. Stay at range with fast ships so you can escape easily if it turns to be more than you can chew.

Light missile Condor and kestrel are good starting points then you can dabble into Omens, Vagabonds, Huggins as you get the skills.

Thanks for the input. Any thoughts on the utility of missiles beyond starting out with them? I'm afraid I've wasted a bunch of skill-researching time getting them going. If they're good for starters, but don't hold their own against a variety of targets...



Missles like any other weapon type has a disadvantage. They have delayed DPS because of flight time rather then instant like every other weapon system. They also have a ton of checks they go by when dealing damage, Speed, Sig radius and such. which means your Paper DPS can sometimes be FAR higher then your actual DPS. They also can be out ran by small faster ships,


The plus side to missiles, you can choice your damage type, meaning that you can hit into an opponents resist hole, As long as your in range and your target is moving slow enough, your missile will always do some damage. And Missiles also get a decent range to them even the Heavy Assaults get around 20km meaning you have more room to kite. Missiles also don't use cap as well making it easier to run Shield/Armor boosters or anything thats cap heavy.
#DeleteTheWeak
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2015-01-22 21:19:57 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:
Icarus Able wrote:
If you are soloing the easiest and safest way to pvp is to kite. Stay at range with fast ships so you can escape easily if it turns to be more than you can chew.

Light missile Condor and kestrel are good starting points then you can dabble into Omens, Vagabonds, Huggins as you get the skills.

Thanks for the input. Any thoughts on the utility of missiles beyond starting out with them? I'm afraid I've wasted a bunch of skill-researching time getting them going. If they're good for starters, but don't hold their own against a variety of targets...

missiles are great for pvp, they always hit, selectable damage can have great dps ,excellent range and dont require cap to fire (that last one is a big deal).

on the other hand their damage can be mitigated a bit easier than other weapons , the actual damage is a tad lower than their turreted counterparts and take time to aply their damage.

make friends though, eve is much better with friends
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2015-01-22 21:24:28 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
A word about "lone wolf" PvP: remember that that is just a restriction on yourself, not a restriction on everyone else. PvP in Eve is never fair, and getting a numeric advantage is always a good way to tip the scales in your favor. By choosing to be solo, you are automatically tipping the scales toward your opponents.


We all know what ISD LackOfLock is trying to say here....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#10 - 2015-01-22 21:28:07 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:
I've mostly used my EVE time thus far to acquire mining skills, but have recently been researching skills for PVP. The only trouble is, I'm not sure which direction I should really go. I like missiles (generally speaking, and have begun investing skills time in that direction), but have heard bad things about them for PVP. I'm also a lone-wolf-style player, not really interested in being part of "hunter pack" or anything like that. So any PVP I'll engage in, I'll likely be the only one on my side.

What ship(s), skills, weapon types, etc., would best fit what I've briefly described? Any (sincere) advice or perspectives would be very appreciated.



Sabre in nullsec is an awesome solo ship but it will take a while and some experience before you can kill things bigger than frigates. Cynabal is a very good "kiting" ship provided you don't run into someone with neuts or a long range web or two.

To be honest "lone wolf" PvP is asking for frustration as more often than not you will be engaged by gangs. PvP is a numbers game. Oh and remember - it's ALWAYS a trap.
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-01-22 22:02:49 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:
I've mostly used my EVE time thus far to acquire mining skills, but have recently been researching skills for PVP. The only trouble is, I'm not sure which direction I should really go. I like missiles (generally speaking, and have begun investing skills time in that direction), but have heard bad things about them for PVP. I'm also a lone-wolf-style player, not really interested in being part of "hunter pack" or anything like that. So any PVP I'll engage in, I'll likely be the only one on my side.

What ship(s), skills, weapon types, etc., would best fit what I've briefly described? Any (sincere) advice or perspectives would be very appreciated.



Sabre in nullsec is an awesome solo ship but it will take a while and some experience before you can kill things bigger than frigates. Cynabal is a very good "kiting" ship provided you don't run into someone with neuts or a long range web or two.

To be honest "lone wolf" PvP is asking for frustration as more often than not you will be engaged by gangs. PvP is a numbers game. Oh and remember - it's ALWAYS a trap.


Im "Lone Wolf" Not Frustrated I like griefing corps and I like it not to be fair and being Outnumbered I dont Mind Blobbing PVP I PVP All Day In Other Games. I just dont wanna make it personal or a social issue I just want to blow up ships and get Immersed in the Game not hear somebodies Wife yelling in the background on Voice comms or eating Potatato chips and Burping after gulping down a NOS Energy Drink or someone Raging Because they got killed its not a great gaming experience and most people I meet online are either scammers or just emotionally R8tarded maybe 1% will lead to a lasting Meaningful relationship and she plays H1Z1.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#12 - 2015-01-22 22:16:45 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:
I've mostly used my EVE time thus far to acquire mining skills, but have recently been researching skills for PVP. The only trouble is, I'm not sure which direction I should really go. I like missiles (generally speaking, and have begun investing skills time in that direction), but have heard bad things about them for PVP. I'm also a lone-wolf-style player, not really interested in being part of "hunter pack" or anything like that. So any PVP I'll engage in, I'll likely be the only one on my side.

What ship(s), skills, weapon types, etc., would best fit what I've briefly described? Any (sincere) advice or perspectives would be very appreciated.




My advice to you as an 8... almost 9 year bitter vet... (take heed I'm taking a break from polishing my bittervet diamonds to share this wisdom):


Decide on how you like to fly and select the best ship for that role, and then use the mastery tabs (in the ship info panel) to determine which skills you should train in.

You have to decide if you want to be the light and fast tackler or fast/hard to hit DPS, or perhaps you want to pummel targets with massive DPS with demoralizing "peel your hapless victims' ships like a banana" effect? Or maybe you want to snipe them from afar? You have to figure on that yourself. What's your style?

When you decide that, look around in Warfare and Tactics and the Ships and Modules forums (or ask) to find the best hulls for the roles. Remember you are NOT deciding forever on one hull since the ship that fits your bill might have a tech 2 or pirate/navy faction variant that brings even more pain.


Using the mastery tabs can get you up into efficiency with your chosen ship fairly quickly, roughly 1 month to 6 weeks.


Now if you want to get even more "granular" in your approach, you can opt to discard the mastery tabs and find not just one particular ship for the role and style you want to PVP in, but a particular ship AND fitting. For example, Gallente battleships include both blasters and rails on their mastery tabs, but you might not care for the in your face nature of blasters and never train to specialize those, or maybe the other way around. So if you want to do a little more "homework", find not just the ship you want, but the fitting that fits your "schtick" too, and derive the skills you need to train entirely on that. You will get proficient VERY fast and by fast I mean that I have an alt specialized in the Hyperion who can DPS and tank that thing after 6 months better than I can even with 8 times more time in game and 4 times more SP.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-01-22 22:51:02 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:
I've mostly used my EVE time thus far to acquire mining skills, but have recently been researching skills for PVP. The only trouble is, I'm not sure which direction I should really go. I like missiles (generally speaking, and have begun investing skills time in that direction), but have heard bad things about them for PVP. I'm also a lone-wolf-style player, not really interested in being part of "hunter pack" or anything like that. So any PVP I'll engage in, I'll likely be the only one on my side.

What ship(s), skills, weapon types, etc., would best fit what I've briefly described? Any (sincere) advice or perspectives would be very appreciated.

Im a Lone wolf as well Im Training up 3 Alts for COVOPS And a couple More to do Hit run Raids Dropping Bombs on BS and gate Camps. Solo is harder But More Rewarding in The Long Run than joining a Corps or volunteering for the salvation army.Nothing Like being Independent and free from Group Think.

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Ruinoso
Silver Talon
#14 - 2015-01-23 00:59:27 UTC
Solops Crendraven wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:
I've mostly used my EVE time thus far to acquire mining skills, but have recently been researching skills for PVP. The only trouble is, I'm not sure which direction I should really go. I like missiles (generally speaking, and have begun investing skills time in that direction), but have heard bad things about them for PVP. I'm also a lone-wolf-style player, not really interested in being part of "hunter pack" or anything like that. So any PVP I'll engage in, I'll likely be the only one on my side.

What ship(s), skills, weapon types, etc., would best fit what I've briefly described? Any (sincere) advice or perspectives would be very appreciated.

Im a Lone wolf as well Im Training up 3 Alts for COVOPS And a couple More to do Hit run Raids Dropping Bombs on BS and gate Camps. Solo is harder But More Rewarding in The Long Run than joining a Corps or volunteering for the salvation army.Nothing Like being Independent and free from Group Think.

This sounds like what I'd like to do. So are you flying stealth bombers? And bombing gate camps... is that only in null sec? (Bombs can't be used anywhere else, right?)
Serene Repose
#15 - 2015-01-23 01:48:01 UTC
Google "Ishtar".

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-01-23 02:09:15 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:
Solops Crendraven wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:
I've mostly used my EVE time thus far to acquire mining skills, but have recently been researching skills for PVP. The only trouble is, I'm not sure which direction I should really go. I like missiles (generally speaking, and have begun investing skills time in that direction), but have heard bad things about them for PVP. I'm also a lone-wolf-style player, not really interested in being part of "hunter pack" or anything like that. So any PVP I'll engage in, I'll likely be the only one on my side.

What ship(s), skills, weapon types, etc., would best fit what I've briefly described? Any (sincere) advice or perspectives would be very appreciated.

Im a Lone wolf as well Im Training up 3 Alts for COVOPS And a couple More to do Hit run Raids Dropping Bombs on BS and gate Camps. Solo is harder But More Rewarding in The Long Run than joining a Corps or volunteering for the salvation army.Nothing Like being Independent and free from Group Think.

This sounds like what I'd like to do. So are you flying stealth bombers? And bombing gate camps... is that only in null sec? (Bombs can't be used anywhere else, right?)
Ya Null and wormholes I live in Thera ya I wanna get a couple of Lonewolves togther just Bomb anything thats not in our fleet. Just PM me Pirate

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2015-01-23 03:15:12 UTC
Nothing wrong with being a lone wolf...

Go forth and destroy peoples ships and castles.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-01-23 04:11:44 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Nothing wrong with being a lone wolf...

Go forth and destroy peoples ships and castles.

Now this Is A Terrorist with Class!

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Ruinoso
Silver Talon
#19 - 2015-01-23 06:30:34 UTC
Solops Crendraven wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:
Solops Crendraven wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:
I've mostly used my EVE time thus far to acquire mining skills, but have recently been researching skills for PVP. The only trouble is, I'm not sure which direction I should really go. I like missiles (generally speaking, and have begun investing skills time in that direction), but have heard bad things about them for PVP. I'm also a lone-wolf-style player, not really interested in being part of "hunter pack" or anything like that. So any PVP I'll engage in, I'll likely be the only one on my side.

What ship(s), skills, weapon types, etc., would best fit what I've briefly described? Any (sincere) advice or perspectives would be very appreciated.

Im a Lone wolf as well Im Training up 3 Alts for COVOPS And a couple More to do Hit run Raids Dropping Bombs on BS and gate Camps. Solo is harder But More Rewarding in The Long Run than joining a Corps or volunteering for the salvation army.Nothing Like being Independent and free from Group Think.

This sounds like what I'd like to do. So are you flying stealth bombers? And bombing gate camps... is that only in null sec? (Bombs can't be used anywhere else, right?)
Ya Null and wormholes I live in Thera ya I wanna get a couple of Lonewolves togther just Bomb anything thats not in our fleet. Just PM me Pirate

I'll do it!
Trey Kutoi
SergalJerk
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2015-01-23 06:51:29 UTC
I'm curious to see how the wolf pans out with the projectile falloff buff. does that make it even more dangerous?


Oh wait. not that kind of wolf....
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