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Why did I die? Can mission rats invisibly web/scram you?

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Zyrm Sycophant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-01-22 16:26:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Zyrm Sycophant
Hi, so I was doing a level 2 security mission in my destroyer, I know now level 2s need cruisers but that doesn't really matter here. I went out to the mission area and encountered the npcs and a stasis webifier tower which I most definitely destroyed and there was a web symbol over my capacitor display while it was alive. I fight through 2 or 3 waves of enemies before they start becoming too strong for my destroyer to handle and I decide to warp out. Except this entire time, even after I dispatched the tower, my speed was still being affected, stuck somewhere around 160m/s with afterburners on. And there was no web symbol over my capacitor anymore. I had checked all my tabs, added all possible objects, and there was no webifier tower left there. Anyway so I decide to warp out, the speedometer under my capacitor changes to warp and then the warp bar just sits there about 1/4 of the way full, where my 160m/s was before. My ship is aligned to target... and then nothing. It just bobs up and down in space till I get blown up. There was no web/scram symbol over my capacitor. I triplechecked. There were no other icons at all, like tracking disruptors. What gives?

So I go back in a second destroyer to loot my wreck, and again my speed is slowed as if I'm webbed, but there's no web icon on my screen. I warp out without problems, minus my loot, heal up and go a third time. Propulsion still being affected. I manage to loot my wreck and warp out. I finally go get my cruiser and go to the site. And my speed is fine, at max with afterburners, nothing affecting it.

What the hell was going on here? I lost maybe 2m, so I don't really care about that. I'm just really frustrated that I died when my ship had plenty of time to warp out, and my propulsion was being jammed despite me not being hit with a webifier or scrambler. It gets weirder that my cruiser was unaffected while my destroyers were, despite me not killing any enemy npcs that might have been jamming me between the time I lost my destroyer and the time I brought in my cruiser.

*Edit, sorry if this got posted twice, I lost internet as I hit post, although it doesn't look like it went through.
Elena Morin'staal
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-01-22 16:55:17 UTC
Zyrm Sycophant wrote:
It just bobs up and down in space till I get blown up. There was no web/scram symbol over my capacitor. I triplechecked.


Sounds like you were colliding with an object (asteroid, LCO)

Ships in eve, when trying to warp and hitting something, won't work themselves around it, you need to cancel warp, move youself off in a direction, and then reinitialise it.
Quanah Comanche
#3 - 2015-01-22 18:33:08 UTC
Has happened to me. Get stuck and WTF????? Meanwhile rats be shooting.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-01-22 19:08:02 UTC
elena probably described your situation accurately.
Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2015-01-22 19:18:03 UTC
Confirming Elena is correct.

It is sometimes hard to tell you are stuck as the objects actual boundaries are not the same as what you visually see. When I am doing PVE, I have a tab that shows everything, so if warp is taking longer than it should I just switch over to that and see what I am stuck on, click on it with the camera tracking on so it faces the object then swing the camera around 180 degrees an head in that direction until you gain about 50% of your speed then re-initiate warp.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Zyrm Sycophant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-01-22 19:45:20 UTC
Elan might be right in why I couldn't warp out, but that doesn't explain why my my speed was being slowed without being webbed the entire time. That just seems really buggy to me.
Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-01-22 20:03:01 UTC
Being stuck on an object has that effect. Imagine a toy car running into a wall at a slight angle, it will still move but will be slowed down due to the wall not allowing it to move freely.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Zyrm Sycophant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-01-22 20:23:49 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Being stuck on an object has that effect. Imagine a toy car running into a wall at a slight angle, it will still move but will be slowed down due to the wall not allowing it to move freely.



I was slowed for the entire time I was there. I was flying around the complex, orbiting, keeping at range, etc. There is no way I was stuck inside an object that whole time. And it happened immediately after warping in the second and third times, the game doesn't 't warp you inside of objects. There was definitely something buggy with my speed and it wasn't collideable objects, even if that was what prevented me from warping out.
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-01-22 21:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Antonio Steele
Zyrm Sycophant wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Being stuck on an object has that effect. Imagine a toy car running into a wall at a slight angle, it will still move but will be slowed down due to the wall not allowing it to move freely.



I was slowed for the entire time I was there. I was flying around the complex, orbiting, keeping at range, etc. There is no way I was stuck inside an object that whole time. And it happened immediately after warping in the second and third times, the game doesn't 't warp you inside of objects. There was definitely something buggy with my speed and it wasn't collideable objects, even if that was what prevented me from warping out.



I can't say exactly what caused this, but I will say that in general it makes it take longer to warp if you leave your afterburner on while accelerating to warp. What speed you need to reach to go into warp is factored from your current top speed. Having the AB on raises that threshold. If you use the AB to get to a speed above your max speed without an AB, and then turn off the AB you will warp almost instantly as you are then suddenly above your top non-AB speed and thus going fast enough to warp. Actually being webbed with an actual web increases your warpout speed as it lowers the speed you need to reach to warp out by lowering your top speed. There are people who escort massive industrial ships that use webs on them to help them warp out a lot faster because of this.

If it wasn't for the fact that your second destroyer was slow too I would blame this on lag from poor internet or computer being slow, or other stuff etc. I've lost a battleship that I thought should have warped out in time but took forever and then popped. I later learned that what actually happened is I was dead before I knew it and lag made it seem like I was still alive and could warp out. I couldn't get to warp speed because on the server I was already dead and the game was trying to catch up on my end.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-01-23 00:33:09 UTC
Zyrm Sycophant wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Being stuck on an object has that effect. Imagine a toy car running into a wall at a slight angle, it will still move but will be slowed down due to the wall not allowing it to move freely.



I was slowed for the entire time I was there. I was flying around the complex, orbiting, keeping at range, etc. There is no way I was stuck inside an object that whole time. And it happened immediately after warping in the second and third times, the game doesn't 't warp you inside of objects. There was definitely something buggy with my speed and it wasn't collideable objects, even if that was what prevented me from warping out.


did you accidentally set your speed manually by clicking on the speed gauge?
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#11 - 2015-01-23 01:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


did you accidentally set your speed manually by clicking on the speed gauge?


I'm pretty sure that when you dock/undock it resets that, so when he changed to a different ship it should not have had an affect.

PS, you can do lvl2's in a destroyer, you just need an OK fitting and good skills. You can even do some lvl4's in a frig (T2) if you really want but they take forever.
Zyrm Sycophant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-01-23 02:53:41 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Zyrm Sycophant wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Being stuck on an object has that effect. Imagine a toy car running into a wall at a slight angle, it will still move but will be slowed down due to the wall not allowing it to move freely.



I was slowed for the entire time I was there. I was flying around the complex, orbiting, keeping at range, etc. There is no way I was stuck inside an object that whole time. And it happened immediately after warping in the second and third times, the game doesn't 't warp you inside of objects. There was definitely something buggy with my speed and it wasn't collideable objects, even if that was what prevented me from warping out.


did you accidentally set your speed manually by clicking on the speed gauge?



I clicked max speed several times to make sure I hadn't done that. And like Andrew said, it shouldn't have affected my second destroyer afterwards.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-01-23 04:33:40 UTC
Definitely an LCO.

When you are bumping into a massive collidable, your ship will occasionally just start flying through it.
And when that happens, your ship is simultaneously trying to navigate away from the collisions, thus slowing you down.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#14 - 2015-01-23 06:05:03 UTC
I know sometimes when I run recon part 1 l4 when hitting the acceleration gate into the second room I instantly hit and become stuck on some asteroids so it might be possible that an LCO was so close to the warpin that you basically had this going nonstop, based on what you describe.

If it is an LCO usually your speed bobs around a bit or just gets stuck, sometimes turning your prop on then off will force your ship to speed enough so that it can warp when your prop mod deactivates, but it depends just how stuck you are.

If you want to see what we are talking about in a controlled setting try and fly as close as you can to a station you start hitting invisible walls which act more sticky than like an impassible object should.
Orlacc
#15 - 2015-01-24 00:58:22 UTC
Of course it was an LCO.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."