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Is EVE to complicated and time consuming for me?

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Alex Thiesantes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-01-21 10:03:36 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Provence Tristram wrote:
Most PvP corps I've seen don't recruit anyone much under 10 million SPs, and the high-sec PvE in EVE is stupidly simple. I would just play and fly what you want for now, and try not to worry about the future for about half a year.


You do know that for 99.9% of those corps, that 10mil SP limit, isn't set in stone.

It's just a simple counter to prevent obvious alts to infiltrate the corp. But if you show very good "player skill" and a good attitude, they most likely disregard you aren't 10mil SP yet.



Just wanted to make clear that I'm not starting all over again. I have been around for some time.
At the moment I have something over 14 mil SP
cya all in game in a couple of daysBig smile

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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#22 - 2015-01-21 14:13:47 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
p.s. A LOT of very casual player corps around. I've known people who came back after not playing EVE for nearly 2 years and they were still in teh same corp.

There are? I must be rubbish at corp hunting :(
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-01-21 15:15:34 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
p.s. A LOT of very casual player corps around. I've known people who came back after not playing EVE for nearly 2 years and they were still in teh same corp.

There are? I must be rubbish at corp hunting :(



Use THE guide made for it and it will be a bit easier.


But, yeah, plenty of RL first / casual corps, although it does depend also where you look and what you are expecting from a corp in the first place.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#24 - 2015-01-21 16:22:02 UTC
The real truth is EVE is the most casual friendly game i know.

You can do damn near everything in pvp and pve with cheap ships (see here and here for examples) and you don't even have to be online to 'progress' because of time based skill progression. Much of the space in the game has npc stations where no one can mechanically prevent you from docking (they can physically block you from an npc station in null with a bubble, but they can't own the station and deny you access).

I've known people who lived in low sec and npc null who left and came back years later and just pick up where they left off. Funniest thing was a guy who logged off in a Command ship in low sec like 3 years ago. He logged in and i saw him in a private channel we shared and that I still use and he wa sall like "Why does my Absolution look like a Harbinger, is this a bug??" lol.
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#25 - 2015-01-21 16:56:50 UTC
If you have to ask then the answer is probably yes, and if it isnt yes then its most likely no. and if neither apply to you then its a maybe.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#26 - 2015-01-21 17:05:42 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Here is my simple advice for those who are looking at EVE and wondering "can I actually do this?"


EVE is a "process game."


This.

And this is why EVE is not a game for everyone, most games either give you the 'meat' of the game up front or promise it very soon after you start (mmos have shortened the amount of time you need to 'level up' your character, getting players to the 'end game' faster). EVE doesn't have a real end game (flying a Titan isn't 'end game' lol).

EVE's pve is a great example. To most people it sucks because it's the same thing over and over and such.
But to people who enjoy "the process" it's fun because it allows you to experiment with different ships, fits, tactics and fleet doctrines to finish the content (mission, site, whatever) faster or more efficiently (I'll admit, I've been at work when an inspiration hit me and I just HAD to take my break early so i could fire up EFT and get an idea of whether what I was thinking would work or not lol it's how my Afterburning, FoF missile+Drones, ECM bursting Gila DED plex ship was born lol).

The same can be applied to pvp on all levels (I once got an email on vacation from a corp mate wondering if a Typhoon/huggin fleet comp would work against AHACS lol) and other gameplay aspects like the market and scams.

There is a bit of "jump in and play" in EVE now because of tiercide making tech 1 cruisers and frigs viable, but EVE at it's core appeals to 'mad scientist/engineer' type personalities rather than instant gratification gamers.
Malai Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-01-21 19:26:15 UTC
I started playing EVE about two years ago, and I've gone through the fun-boring-fun cycle a few times now. I'm now back in the game after a three month inactive break, which did me no end of good as an EVE player.

I certainly don't think EVE is a hard game to get into. It's a huge game with a tremendous amount of content, but the pewpew/travel/mining hisec sandbox is fairly accessible to new players. You can learn the basics of getting around in a couple weeks, and that's if you're barely trying. There are tons of online tutorials to read and watch.

Where I think EVE really excels, though, is how it deals with the plateau. If you want to tear into some interesting reading, Google around for some of the academic research being done into the "MMO plateau" or "endgame" problem. This refers to the point in gameplay where a new player is no longer fighting just to stop losing, and must shift their goals. The game must keep new players able to enter, while at the same time keeping things interesting for more experienced players. The "plateau" is where that shift happens, the boring phase. There's a whole body of research on it.

When you read people ask, "but what am I supposed to DO?", that's what they're asking. And every time someone answers, "Make your own goals!", that's what they're saying. Even though that advice really isn't too helpful.

You'll spend the rest of your life trying to master everything in EVE, if even then, because CCP is constantly adding new elements to the game. You'll never master it. The cool part is, no one else will, either. So the question really isn't, "Is EVE too complicated for me?" It's really more, "Will the process of finding enjoyment in EVE cost too much time and effort?"

If you keep your goals realistic and limited, then the answer is no, it won't. Mine. Mission in high sec. Get to know people. Build some ships. When you reach a plateau, you know you've outgrown those goals and now need new ones. By that point, you'll know more about EVE and be better able to attack the next plateau. Once in a while, take a long break and play something else for a while.

My advice for new EVE players is to stop asking, "is it too complicated for me?" and instead ask, "What in this game can I do with what I currently know?" And the answer is, invariably, quite a lot.

Gaylord Fappington
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2015-01-21 19:57:10 UTC
The way I see it, the biggest mistake you can make in Eve is to focus on the 'get somewhere' op mentions.

The focus of Eve is to have fun. I think there's a danger in setting a 'get somewhere' goal such as an isk number, an industrial output target, a mining fleet size, a number of systems controlled, etc. Chances are, a lot of the things you'll need to do to 'get somewhere' aren't going to be any fun and will burn you out.

If you're one of the people who has fun with almost every aspect of working towards one of those 'get somewhere' goals, then you probably wouldn't be questioning playing Eve in the first place.

You're already here. It counts as somewhere. Find a way to have fun.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#29 - 2015-01-21 20:11:15 UTC
Alex Thiesantes wrote:
Don't get me wrong, EVE is a nice game but I always feels like you have to be an Quantum mechanics engineer with at least 6hours of free time everyday to get somewhere in this game.
I know I'm probably stepping on some toe's but when I started to play WoW it took me 5 min to get the game and maybe 10 min to understand the game mechanics.

Yeah look, there are people who really like complicated games and people who like it simple. Some people prefer to do a puzzle with 5000 pieces and some only have the patients for 20 pieces.

If you are the guy who likes puzzles with 20 pieces it would be silly to go to the shop and ask to get the few 5000 pieces puzzles who are left changed into 20 pieces puzzles. Just pick another of the hundreds of 20 piece puzzles.

I mean if you think WOW is better suited for you, then go an play WOW. There is nothing wrong with EVE.

Evil RatKid
Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-01-21 20:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilan Isana
Alex Thiesantes wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
There's a lot to the game.
You don't have to know everything to play it, but to get anywhere decent, you sort of have to know a direction you want to take.
Of course, you can absolutely take a different path after starting, but in my opinion, progression happens with ISK. Real ISK, made by you.
To do that usually means a lot of dedication, which isn't always savoury to people with little time on their hands.

As a solo player, 'having fun,' 'getting far in the game,' and 'playing casually' will rarely coincide.
I do play casually (in an advanced way), but getting far, i.e. getting enough ISK to fly the ships that I want to fly, isn't going to be 'fun' for a solo player doing pew pew against bad guys. I realise that.

You could try some passive trading, it requires a lot of time to set up, and is exceptionally boring, but happens in the background with little interference once you have it properly set up.

You could then focus mainly on having fun however you see fit. And learn the rest of the game without worrying so much about 'progressing' as such.


We can all offer advice, so my thoughts would lie in this question:
>What do you want to be, in the game?

Whether it be any of these:
"I want to acquire lots of ISK and buy expensive ships to shoot NPCs or other Capsuleers"
"I want to just have fun, competitively, by means of pure PvP"
"I want to cause grief to others" (no doubt plenty will unto you)
"I want to be an industrialist, making things, being proud of my efforts supplying wars and/or the regional market"
"I want to trade until I am rich beyond my wildest dreams"
"I just want to start"

Or [your own personal goal here]

You could then delve into the game a bit more.

The interface and tutorials might be mind-bogglingly complicated, because they have to incorporate multiple different aspects, and play styles that are part of EVE.


I have been following EVE since 2009, that's when I initially started.

I'd say I know the game pretty well, and overall I've tried lots of various things.
Trading the player market I see as definitely more profitable, but I simply just do not like doing it as much as I do PvE.


I play for an average of 7 hours each day; sometimes I will get a little bored and do more important things, but I've always got a goal in mind for EVE.
Without that goal, I'd pretty much be aimlessly working about the game. People do that, and get totally bored and don't want to come back.

I don't see myself as 'being far' in the game, as much as I think I could be. Or that I want to be.
However, I do enjoy how I play EVE. And I guess that's what counts mostly.


So, OP, what do you think you would like to do, in EVE?



What I want is very simple, protect the innocent and blast every ****** that wants to harm an honest hard working EVE citizen.
Can I do that? I'm sure as hell going the need all the help and advice I can get :-))

Fly safe
Alex



Hmmm - Anti-CODE??

hi-sec might just become interesting again!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2015-01-21 20:26:54 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Alex Thiesantes wrote:
Don't get me wrong, EVE is a nice game but I always feels like you have to be an Quantum mechanics engineer with at least 6hours of free time everyday to get somewhere in this game.
I know I'm probably stepping on some toe's but when I started to play WoW it took me 5 min to get the game and maybe 10 min to understand the game mechanics.

Yeah look, there are people who really like complicated games and people who like it simple. Some people prefer to do a puzzle with 5000 pieces and some only have the patients for 20 pieces.

If you are the guy who likes puzzles with 20 pieces it would be silly to go to the shop and ask to get the few 5000 pieces puzzles who are left changed into 20 pieces puzzles. Just pick another of the hundreds of 20 piece puzzles.

I mean if you think WOW is better suited for you, then go an play WOW. There is nothing wrong with EVE.


Not surprisingly, people do this all day every day. Playing EVE (a 'make your own fun in a sandbox' style of game) when you obviously prefer an 'obvious progression' (ie "feel like you are getting somewhere/DEVs make the content") environment seems to be the source of many forum posting player's problems. But rather than deal with that many decided to lobby for the game to change to suit their needs (not saying the OP is doing this, he is not).

It leaves me scratching my head. When I started EVE, the dude who introduced me to the game (we played mechwarrior 4 together) also played WoW and introduced me to that. I tried to get in to it over the course of a few months but just never could, it just wasn't my kind of scene (watching a LotR style movie is all the elves and dwarfs I can stand for a while).

Nothing wrong with WoW, just not for me, so I stop playing it and played EVE full time with a minor romp in Tanks or LoL every once in a while. Personally, I don't get why some people prefer to stuff their round arse into a square hole instead of finding a square entrance they actually can use lol.
Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#32 - 2015-01-21 20:43:07 UTC
Alex Thiesantes wrote:



What I want is very simple, protect the innocent and blast every ****** that wants to harm an honest hard working EVE citizen.
Can I do that?


In three "easy" steps ...

1. Start learning to PvP.
2. Go out and do it.
3. Profit???
Herzyr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-01-21 21:07:23 UTC
It'll sink in eventually, as in, suddenly, everything clicks in and suddenly everything seems manageable compared to when you start out.

While I'm not exactly a ''peoples person'' AKA antisocial *******, I tend to play very casual and solo at nights after work, I still have time to do what I want so long as its in the range of solo level stuff.

I think my playtime doesn't even get close to 1 hour most of the times, There isn't a ''wrong'' way to play the game per se, if you play and do whatever you want, in this sandbox, you have gotten your money back in entertainment for the time being, but if you are forcing yourself to play the game, then this is not for you.

But, just give it time, It will click, and when it does, you will know whether its good or bad for you.
Quanah Comanche
#34 - 2015-01-22 00:04:28 UTC
Can't wait to watch some stranger play games! What?
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-01-22 05:02:01 UTC
I'm suspect of this entire textual content.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#36 - 2015-01-22 05:14:18 UTC
It don't matter. Keep the sub up and the ability to log on at will going. If there's not a place for it in your day today, there might be one in a week. EVE fix is good for when you're feeling mentally tuned and that's what your mood is.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#37 - 2015-01-22 06:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Alex Thiesantes wrote:
What I want is very simple, protect the innocent and blast every ****** that wants to harm an honest hard working EVE citizen.
Can I do that? I'm sure as hell going the need all the help and advice I can get :-))

Fly safe
Alex
You can't.
- Too many of them.
- Mechanics protect them.

Okay, so you start following some gankers around. What do you do?
- Suicide fight them? You will run out of security status before all their cheap throw away alts do.
- Run ahead and warn the locals? Would you warn the right targets?

Let's say you get your hands dirty, you join them for the greater good and to spy on them. Discover that they have main characters deep in null security space.
Fast forwards a few years when you command a large enough fleet or fleets to go in there and steam roll over them. You end up squishing innocents in the process.
Maybe you decide to infiltrate the main alliance, sow some distrust, break up a few friendships?

The closer you get to kicking them back where it hurts, the more effort and the more like them, you become.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Serene Repose
#38 - 2015-01-22 16:49:34 UTC
Has Alex figured out the answer to his question is "yes"? This wall of text quote fest should end NOW! What?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Yehala
FISHERS INC
#39 - 2015-01-23 00:10:56 UTC
Eve has so many aspects. If you are a beginner that can be overwhelming. I've been playing for 5 years, and I don't know everything, and far from it. Personally when I'm attracted to one of Eve's sides, I just dig into it, learn stuff, read tons of wikis, websites, articles, blogs, and go for that new activity. To be honest, that what makes eve a very deep game, you don't farm it in 6 Months, and just wait for new content to be added from the developers.

Plus, Eve has a very welcoming community to new players. If you want to jump into PVP, Industry, Wormholes, or whatever, just find a newb friendly corp, and they will welcome you with open arms. And if you don't like this activity in the end, just go somewhere else, and try something else ! The time consuming part is not true. You can decide to make Eve time consuming, or you can just play casually and have fun a couple hours a week.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#40 - 2015-01-23 17:44:22 UTC
My experience of corps and alliances, practically speaking is Homeworld and Volt. Done a few spectre roams and misc but it doesn't really count.

Homeworld

Generally, pretty good bunch. Started off by mining in high sec, chatting, sharing links, very social friendly guys.
We had a fleet commander that was good for actual battles but the CEO started stepping back and he started jumping the group too fast from high sec to worm holes to incursions to null sec renting. I became very annoyed with him spreading us out too thin. Newbies were still struggling in high sec with wars and stuff, I was almost solo in a worm hole most of the time and he was off in another worm hole or in incursions.
It could have worked with a much bigger alliance and more seasoned pilots.

Some would say we were too trusting but the core group was reliable and willing. In that regard we were lucky.
One day, the POS shield was down in the worm hole and all the ships were gone. The role for fuel had been miss set and someone had pulled it out and then robbed us. (I still have your names on watch list guys. Do not worry ... your turn will come in time.) Blink
I enjoyed the 10-15 vs 10-15 battles, having to hold an active Cyclone tank as primary target and knowing that if I break we will probably wipe was more exhilarating than the current Null Sec stuff I do.

Volition Cult

This will be vague for intel reasons.

I join roams and we go slaughter some Brave pilots time to time. Sometimes we get dunked on. I have found that in the right group, you take on the roles and responsibilites that you earn and you can get them rather quickly.

Much like my CSM running there are annoyances, all these opinions and public perceptions, egos and things. Most of the time, I just want blue systems to get some ISK generated. I do not care who does it but I often end up leading the charge.
CSM, I just want to improve the game, make it less one sided in a lot of ways but really, I should get myself together, study the specific programming and get a job at CCP. I approach the ideas and problems in EVE as a developer, not as a player that cares what people think of me. This is the net, people's opinions do not change my RL life. However, being trustable means I can get more done.

I think what I am essentially driving at is that there are "carebear" groups that accept casual players and they will have some drawbacks but overall they are less stressful that being an island in a delta. Less worries and squirrelling away ships and ISK for being awoxed and scammed.

So, find the group that fits your personality in order to have your fun.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
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