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NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) Tag

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Gremoxx
Wing Commanders
#21 - 2015-01-21 13:49:46 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
NRDS is for those unable to enforce NBSI.


Flying NRDS is far more exciting and fulfilling than NBSI. NRDS is EVE on Elite-mode. I can understand that people want to play safe and shoot anything that is not blue to them -NBSI, you are just scared that this neutral that jumped inn might popp your little shiney ship.

And on NRDS needing some special tag - No
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#22 - 2015-01-21 14:10:31 UTC
I think there should be a high slot module that can be fitted to your ship. It would be passive. If you're only interested in PVE, you could fit this module and no one would be able to attack you AND prevent you from attacking any players. Having this module equipped would also induce a pirate honor system where NPC pirates would only reduce your ship to 0 armor and then stop shooting.

This module would remove the cumbersome KOS, blue,red, NAP, SLAP, GAP and doodle de blap lists. It would make everything "all good!"
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#23 - 2015-01-21 14:19:32 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I think there should be a high slot module that can be fitted to your ship. It would be passive. If you're only interested in PVE, you could fit this module and no one would be able to attack you AND prevent you from attacking any players. Having this module equipped would also induce a pirate honor system where NPC pirates would only reduce your ship to 0 armor and then stop shooting.

This module would remove the cumbersome KOS, blue,red, NAP, SLAP, GAP and doodle de blap lists. It would make everything "all good!"


Great idea. Totally wouldn't ruin the entire game and have the likes of EA salivating at the prospect of buying up CCP. Roll

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#24 - 2015-01-21 14:22:21 UTC
Keep in mind, NRDS to Dryson is "Not Red Dont Scissor".

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Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#25 - 2015-01-21 14:26:19 UTC
But, it's easy to find out who is KOS... Why do we need this?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#26 - 2015-01-21 14:44:17 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Am I the only one who looks at "NRDS" and sees "NERDS" ?

Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Part of what makes NRDS hard is that it can be slow or difficult to determine if you can shoot a pilot this can cause it to be to late when you do find out.

Its the trade off of flying under NRDS rather than NPSI NBSI or NYSI
What, if I may ask, in the seven hells is "NYSI"?


NYSI(Not You shoot it) and thank you sir now every time i read NRDS my mind pronounces it Nerds
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-01-21 14:53:39 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I think there should be a high slot module that can be fitted to your ship. It would be passive. If you're only interested in PVE, you could fit this module and no one would be able to attack you AND prevent you from attacking any players. Having this module equipped would also induce a pirate honor system where NPC pirates would only reduce your ship to 0 armor and then stop shooting.

This module would remove the cumbersome KOS, blue,red, NAP, SLAP, GAP and doodle de blap lists. It would make everything "all good!"


Great idea. Totally wouldn't ruin the entire game and have the likes of EA salivating at the prospect of buying up CCP. Roll



Methinks your sarcasm meter needs a recalibrate.
Iain Cariaba
#28 - 2015-01-21 17:24:40 UTC
afkalt wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I think there should be a high slot module that can be fitted to your ship. It would be passive. If you're only interested in PVE, you could fit this module and no one would be able to attack you AND prevent you from attacking any players. Having this module equipped would also induce a pirate honor system where NPC pirates would only reduce your ship to 0 armor and then stop shooting.

This module would remove the cumbersome KOS, blue,red, NAP, SLAP, GAP and doodle de blap lists. It would make everything "all good!"


Great idea. Totally wouldn't ruin the entire game and have the likes of EA salivating at the prospect of buying up CCP. Roll



Methinks your sarcasm meter needs a recalibrate.

Maybe, maybe not. I've seen similar ideas posted in all seriousness.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-01-21 18:17:19 UTC
Gremoxx wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
NRDS is for those unable to enforce NBSI.


Flying NRDS is far more exciting and fulfilling than NBSI. NRDS is EVE on Elite-mode. I can understand that people want to play safe and shoot anything that is not blue to them -NBSI, you are just scared that this neutral that jumped inn might popp your little shiney ship.

And on NRDS needing some special tag - No




NRDS is Eve on 'I can't actually win' mode. GG CVA.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal

Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-01-21 18:45:26 UTC
NRDS does need some help, mostly because there are only so many standing slots available, so they've (IIRC) resorted to using out of game tools to manage them

This, however, is not the help NRDS needs, because it doesn't actually fix a problem.

NBSI is easier to manage, and NPSI requires no management at all.

NESI (AKA NMSI) is the easiest one, but it'll get you into trouble in a corp. Pirate

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#31 - 2015-01-21 18:54:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Serendipity Lost
Kenrailae wrote:
Gremoxx wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
NRDS is for those unable to enforce NBSI.


Flying NRDS is far more exciting and fulfilling than NBSI. NRDS is EVE on Elite-mode. I can understand that people want to play safe and shoot anything that is not blue to them -NBSI, you are just scared that this neutral that jumped inn might popp your little shiney ship.

And on NRDS needing some special tag - No




NRDS is Eve on 'I can't actually win' mode. GG CVA.


Kick them around all you want. As a pround member of their KOS list since 2007 (I renew my sub often) I will say this - they are the only group that has remained immune to the blue donut garbage. They are the only group that will reliably fleet up and defend their space (you can argue how good or bad they are at it, but that argument has been going on since before I joined the game and they still hold provi).

What you call "I can't win" mode has been holding pretty much 2 regions of space for longer than anyone else has held anything. I'm not actually seeing your point.

I love provi. I love CVA. We've been shooting at each other for over 5 years. I love NRDS and their KOS list. What they do works for them. It works for me and it works for the thousands of other pilots on both sides of that huge unmanagable list for many years. That's THOUSANDS and MANY YEARS.

If you can't find a fight anywhere else - you can ALWAYS go to providence. It's the ONLY null alliance that hasn't gone all risk averse and the other crap.

On topic - we don't need some new mechanic to make standings easier or better. They are fine as is.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-01-21 19:32:25 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Kick them around all you want. As a pround member of their KOS list since 2007 (I renew my sub often) I will say this - they are the only group that has remained immune to the blue donut garbage. They are the only group that will reliably fleet up and defend their space (you can argue how good or bad they are at it, but that argument has been going on since before I joined the game and they still hold provi).

What you call "I can't win" mode has been holding pretty much 2 regions of space for longer than anyone else has held anything. I'm not actually seeing your point.

I love provi. I love CVA. We've been shooting at each other for over 5 years. I love NRDS and their KOS list. What they do works for them. It works for me and it works for the thousands of other pilots on both sides of that huge unmanagable list for many years. That's THOUSANDS and MANY YEARS.

If you can't find a fight anywhere else - you can ALWAYS go to providence. It's the ONLY null alliance that hasn't gone all risk averse and the other crap.

On topic - we don't need some new mechanic to make standings easier or better. They are fine as is.


Last I checked, no one actually wanted that space. They just went there when there were no serious campaigns for serious space against serious opponents going on. I don't THINK that counts as a major achievement. When you're not really risking much anyway, I also don't think that counts as not going risk adverse. Some T2 cruisers, phantasms, or battleships every now and then.... but for the most part that's about it.

I'm also reasonably certain quite a few of the other null sec groups, be it Goons or Brave or any of them, if you rolled up to their home system, usually come out and fight. Providence just happens to be a bit easier to get to than some.

Just because it happens to work in space where no one with the depth to do so has actually deployed and tried to full on take it without having obligations half way across the galaxy doesn't mean NRDS is the reason it works. It works because it's Provi. The difference between NRDS and NBSI is that NBSI doesn't need a KOS list. If it's not blue, kill it. NRDS.... Hmmm let me check, nope, not red.... lemme check the KOS list real quick to see if this person just forgot to be set.... Hmmm No.... Oh, hey, where did they go?

NBSI also is not 'the blue donut.' If anything, NRDS leans more toward that then NBSI, because the list of neutrals for most people is far larger than the list of blues. Sure, it works in Provi. But the 'Blue Donut' is the result of entirely too many alliances being friendly cause they had no reason to compete, or their reasons to compete were fewer or less important than the reasons their common enemies gave them to work together. When your only blues are your own alts, or 1-2 other alliances that consist largely of former alliance members, then NBSI gives you pretty much the entirety of New Eden to shoot. A KOS list? Lol.

Fair play to CVA for putting fleets together and fighting. Fair play, props, thanks, GF, o7m8, etc etc... But let's not blow it out of proportion here.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal

afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-01-21 20:43:31 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
If you can't find a fight anywhere else - you can ALWAYS go to providence. It's the ONLY null alliance that hasn't gone all risk averse and the other crap.


I like NPC null, it's like the wild west Pirate
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#34 - 2015-01-21 21:53:30 UTC
What the OP is asking for is, in essence, the ability to set someone else's standings towards you.

Use the existing standings system. It's worked for large NRDS organizations in Providence for a decade or more.

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Esmanpir
Raccoon's with LightSabers
#35 - 2015-01-21 22:51:57 UTC
If we want to go this route, rather than having Blue, Lt Blue, Grey, Orange and Red. Just give Alliances, Corps and individuals a color pallet and allow them to designate what each color means. (Not Mauve, Don't Shoot. Not Fuchsia, Shoot it... Lol )
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-01-21 22:54:13 UTC
Esmanpir wrote:
If we want to go this route, rather than having Blue, Lt Blue, Grey, Orange and Red. Just give Alliances, Corps and individuals a color pallet and allow them to designate what each color means. (Not Mauve, Don't Shoot. Not Fuchsia, Shoot it... Lol )


I can just see Pizza's local screens now. Every eye bleeding color of the rainbow possible, in a migraine inducing unicorn color vomit.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#37 - 2015-01-21 23:06:03 UTC
afkalt wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I think there should be a high slot module that can be fitted to your ship. It would be passive. If you're only interested in PVE, you could fit this module and no one would be able to attack you AND prevent you from attacking any players. Having this module equipped would also induce a pirate honor system where NPC pirates would only reduce your ship to 0 armor and then stop shooting.

This module would remove the cumbersome KOS, blue,red, NAP, SLAP, GAP and doodle de blap lists. It would make everything "all good!"


Great idea. Totally wouldn't ruin the entire game and have the likes of EA salivating at the prospect of buying up CCP. Roll



Methinks your sarcasm meter needs a recalibrate.


Coming from him, no, he meant it for reals.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#38 - 2015-01-21 23:58:15 UTC
admiral root wrote:
afkalt wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I think there should be a high slot module that can be fitted to your ship. It would be passive. If you're only interested in PVE, you could fit this module and no one would be able to attack you AND prevent you from attacking any players. Having this module equipped would also induce a pirate honor system where NPC pirates would only reduce your ship to 0 armor and then stop shooting.

This module would remove the cumbersome KOS, blue,red, NAP, SLAP, GAP and doodle de blap lists. It would make everything "all good!"


Great idea. Totally wouldn't ruin the entire game and have the likes of EA salivating at the prospect of buying up CCP. Roll



Methinks your sarcasm meter needs a recalibrate.


Coming from him, no, he meant it for reals.


Personally, I'd like to see his suggestion implemented, with one alteration. Anyone who fits this to one of their ships is permabanned from the game 24 hours after doing so.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#39 - 2015-01-22 13:06:35 UTC
It was sarcasm. Actually it was that anger fueled how could someone possibly be so obtuse sarcasm. The kind where you're still irritated even after you mock them. Normally I can stay detached and giggle at others (check the freighter bumping thread I lost interest in yester.... that baltec1 guy..... pure gold).

My point w/ CVA and 7 and the others out in providence. I don't think they their fundamental principles are awesome. I don't think their space is awesome. I don't think they are awesome at pvp.

I think what they do for eve is awesome. Quite a few good groups of guys (corps and alliances) have cut their teeth in providence on both sides of the CVA KOS list. Their NRDS policy has done a lot for the game. If you could pull up a graph of pilot activity and pvp across all of null over the last 2 or maybe even 3 years... they stand out. As the blue donut formed up and folks rented 0.0 PVE content, they kept the faith.

I'm a wh gal, so I have pretty much equal access to all of null on a random whim. Last night I had simultaneous incoming wh from Tenal, Vale and Esotaria so your 'providence is easy access' assumption is a bit off. As a corp that has been poking my nose in to all of null randomly for several years, let me lay it out for you.

Drone regions: It's pretty much been farmville from the beginning. You want to find a dead end system w/ 60 large T2 bubbles and insta docking/logging locals? Go to the drone regions. You can't get fights.

NPC null: It's always been good for fights. The guys that love the game, love null and love pvp w/out politics live here. It's always been the space for the up and coming (or second, third or fourth coming of - tri for example) alliances form up before taking their place in SOV null. You can get fights here. If you're small gang you can get in over your head pretty quickly.

SOV Null: pretty much empty. There are pockets here and there of activity. My take is folks rent the space. Wooot wooot over easy null isk. They get space rich. They get bored. Activity drops and the renters fade away. New renters move in. It's a bad cycle for eve, I'm glad it seems to be ending.

I'm happy to see the map starting to light up a bit more w/ actual meaningful pvp post jump fatigue. As the APEX fleets get worn down in numbers over time - I'm hoping the game gets more playable in null. Time will tell.

My real point about CVA and crew is that their NRDS policy has generated a lot of content for a lot of folks over the years. Wether you, me or the next guy like or agree w/ said policy doesn't matter. They are doing good things for the big big we and they've been doing it for years. I have a lot of respect for all the work they've done to that end. A lot of folks pooh pooh them and throw rocks. Is it irony that folks have been saying they suck for 8+ years???
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2015-01-22 14:26:41 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
honor


Honor... In EVE? Is this some kind of joke?
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