Ships & Modules

I realize that there are a lot of variables, including skill levels, T1 or T2 modules, which modules, which ammo, etc, etc, that may make answering this question difficult, but I'll ask it anyway:

What, in general, is the expected range of DPS and EHP for each ship type? By "ship type" I mean frigate, destroyer, cruiser, battlecruiser, battleship, assault frigate, heavy assault cruiser, the new T3 destroyer(s), and strategic cruisers. Even rookie ships, since I think they're likely to be less capable than other frigates*. Not really concerned with the other T2 ships, since they aren't primarily combat ships, nor with the capitals since it's going to be a long while before I fly one of them. I'm primarily interested in PvE fits, since I'm a mission runner and explorer.

*If I were in charge, rookie ships would be a bit smaller and lighter than frigates, and would be called "corvettes' or "sloops". But that's another thread.

Say something like:

Rookie ship, basic skills: 20 DPS, 100 EHP (numbers are made up and probably way off).
Rookie ship, all skills V: 75 DPS, 120 EHP
Frigates, basic skills: 35-50 DPS, 150 EHP
Frigates, all skills V: 75-100 DPS, 175-200 EHP
Assault Frigates, basic skills: 120-140 DPS, 250-300 EHP
Assault Frigates, all skills V, T2 fit: 200-250 DPS, 800-1000 EHP
…

T2 fits are obviously going to have higher numbers and more training time required than T1 fits, so the table should cover both.

What prompted this question, btw, is finding out that "to solo Dagan, you need to put out about 120 DPS" and then wondering "okay, so what ship types can do that?"

I'm looking for broad ranges (and they may overlap) rather than precise numbers.

Verry rough numbers here but

Frigates anything up to around 300 dps ,can get higher but that's the upper "reasonable" limit.
destroyers I'm going to say 600 ish, don't quote me on that but that's what I have in my head.
cruisers 1000+ normally about 6-800 though
battle cruisers would be similar but with more tank.
attack battle cruisers 1500 ish, though often fitted for range / volley
Battleships 1-2000 ish.

Do note that the higher dps numbers are generally blaster gank fits and not actually practically usable and I'm thinking with good skills, as a newer player you will struggle to get those numbers out of anything so don't be put off if you're not seeing it.

Ehp isn't something I tend to remember though.

There will be some discrepancy in the "numbers" due to the tactics and tank types you choose to fit/employ. I'll use mostly low-end estimates (assuming max skills, no warfare links, no implants).

Frigates: 100 to 300 dps... 5,000 to 10,000 effective hitpoints... speeds anywhere from 1,100 to almost 4,000 m/sec
Destroyers: 200 to 400 dps... 7500 to 12,000 effective hitpoints... speeds anywhere from 1000 to almost 2,500 m/sec
Cruisers: 300 to 600 dps... 15,000 to 45,000 effective hitpoints... speeds anywhere from 800 to almost 2,200 m/sec
Battlecruisers: 500 to 700 dps... 30,000 to 70,000 effective hitpoints... speeds anywhere from 600 to almost 1,500 m/sec
Battleships: 700 to 1200 dps... 100,000 to 200,000 effective hitpoints... speeds anywhere from 500 to almost 1,100 m/sec
Carriers: 0 to 3,000 dps... 600,000 to 2,200,000 effective hitpoints... speeds 0 to 100 m/sec
Dreadnoughts: 2,000 to 20,000 dps... 1,000,000 to 2,200,000 effective hitpoints... speeds 0 to 100 m/sec
Supercarriers: 7,000 to 15,000 dps... 15,000,000 to 25,000,000 effective hitpoints... speeds ~70 m/sec
Titans: ~6000 dps OR 3,000,000 single hit doomsday... 20,000,000 to 50,000,000 effective hitpoints... speeds ~70 m/sec


Here's the big problem with the "raw numbers" though; they do not accurately explain the dynamic between large ships and small ships. Nor does it explain how or why there is such a discrepancy between the high-low estimates or how to even achieve such numbers in the first place.
So here are some things to keep in mind...


- Larger ships cost EXPONENTIALLY more than smaller ships... meanwhile the increase in overall "power" is mostly linear.

- Larger ships tend to have issues dealing with multitudes of smaller foes due to certain "tracking issues" (large weapons "track" slower than smaller weapons).

- Larger ships are VERY slow... meaning that they cannot "pick and choose" their engagements as easily and can be swarmed by smaller foes if they are by themselves.

- Larger ships have more fitting "options," allowing them to have a wider variety of potential fits and/or counters for other ships... but smaller ships tend to be more flexible when it comes to what tactics they can use.

- Smaller ships tend to rely more heavily on a players' "personal skill" (see: making judgement calls, flying tactics, picking engagements)... meanwhile larger ships rely more on a players' "character skills" to get the best stats possible (because they can't pick and choose engagements).

- Gank, Tank, Speed, Utility/Electronic Warfare... choose 2.5 of those aspects when fitting. No one ship can have all of the above as they all require the sacrifice of another aspect.

ham tengu, blaster vigilant, Diemos, ishtar, cba to try any more.

It's hard to determine the ehp of ship you want to fight. It can be fitted in so many ways it's almost impossible to predict how tough he is.

People say here, that average ehp of a cruiser is about 30-50k ehp. What about augoror navy issue which can be tanked up to 250k ehp? Or tanked T3's, 250k ehp... Proteus can be tanked up to 550k ehp if you don't need nullified subsystem.

So, as i said, it's almost impossible to determine what specific ship will have fitted.

I think Shah got this one the most accurate so far. All those numbers that he listed are basically around the EHP and DPS I get for all of the subcap ships in that class. I don't fly capital ships, but the numbers still sound reasonable. His notes after the numbers are also important to keep in mind

While 1000+ dps cruisers are possible, for general PVE (or pvp for that matter) purposes, I think that's a bit high Ralph, especially without max skills

OP... here is a fun little thread you might be interested in.

DPS Extreme

Basically people (myself included) went a little wild with hypothetical fits to see how much DPS we could squeeze out of ships.
Keep in mind that most of them are very much NOT "reasonable."

OP, please keep in mind that in addition to raw Damage Per Second (DPS) and Effective Hit Points (EHP, a combined metric of your raw hit points modified by your resistances) is your ability to actually apply that damage on a target. The larger you are, the easier it is for you to be hit and the harder it is for your guns to hit smaller targets. The Talos, for example, is an Attack Battlecruiser, designed to carry oversized guns normally mounted on Battleships. A sanely fitted Talos can actually get quite close to 1,000 DPS. Its own tracking bonus combined with the naturally high tracking of large Blasters (for their size) means it can put quite a hurt on Cruisers and other targets if it manages its positioning correctly. However, if a small, nimble target like a Frigate gets close, the mighty Talos won't be able to hit at all, and it will sit there missing every shot while the Frigate chews it apart. You could kill one in a rookie ship if you caught it.

300 dps is quite possible... but usually only with blaster-based ships... and/or Assault Frigate class (exceptions apply).

And yes... dps = damage per second... as seen in the fitting window in-game.
Unfortunately, the fitting window does not show how much damage you do per volley... only 3rd party programs like EFT or PyFa will do that.

Let me use the Enyo from that "DPS Extreme" thread I posted earlier as an example:

[Enyo, IT'S ALMOST FIVE HUNDREEEED!!!]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Co-Processor II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hobgoblin II x1


With all level 5 skills:

Damage per Second: ~440 (~510 when overloaded)
Volley Damage: ~750 damage per shot (~870 damage when overloaded)

Bear in mind though... such fits usually heavily sacrifice other aspects of combat in order to pump out this kind of damage.
Still using the Enyo example above:
- Void ammo deals more damage than Faction Antimatter... but it also cuts tracking and range... meaning less damage will be applied against an opponent that can move quickly around the Enyo.
- Blaster-fits are at an inherent disadvantage against anything faster than the ship is.
- This Enyo has no tank beyond its native values and the Damage Control (giving it about ~7500 effective hitpoints)... meaning that it will melt if put under consistent firepower. This is bad because once within 10km of anything, any ship is basically "committed" to a fight... win or lose.


Now... if you wanted a more "balanced" fit on that Enyo...
- trade the guns for "lower tier" ones
- trade a damage mod and the CPU mod for a plate and repair mod

Your damage goes down to somewhere around 200 to 300 dps and tank increases to almost ~10,000 effective hitpoints with the ability to self repair a small bit (we are still talking with perfect or near perfect skills).

So yeah... it is "reasonable" to get ~300 dps frigates... it just takes awhile before you have the skills and money to get there.
But even then... you don't always want to get numbers that high due to the deep tradeoffs you have to make to get them there.


lol. Your skills are simply lacking. Your average Hyperion (with decent skills) should be pushing about 800 to 1000 dps.

Be patient. You'll get there. Just don't fly that Hyperion into PvP.

Speaking of 300 dps frigs. Pimped Worm.

Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier
Damage Control II
1MN Afterburner II
Gistii C-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Rocket Launcher II
Small Anti-EM Pump II
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Augmented' Hobgoblin x2

369 dps ; 49.3m sig ; 1029 m/s ; 8.7k ehp ; cap stable and tanks 88 omni dps with implants possible to get more. Can be edited, but 300 dps is not hard with drones on worm.