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Ships in EVE should remain destructable. This is not a good development.

You cannot compare ship colors with character apparel, because the apparel is not used when flying ships. In-station Captain's Quarters is another game than the spaceship game EVE. If we one day were to get actual Walk-In-Stations, we would not be able to kill each other and steal/destroy each others clothes either (due to the tea spoon principle). But ships can and should be destructable.

Next will come licenses to modules that are indestructable as well and that you buy in the NES.

I don't understand what is said here at all. Whether a ship is unique or not has nothing to do how paint is applied to the paintjob ships that are currently for sale. Ships that are unique are so because they are *not* for sale by CCP.

If you wish to "not leave unique ships as unique ships" you could do that today, you can simply send out more of them, then they are not unique anymore.

So what exactly are you talking about?

EDIT: After re-reading I expect/hope you are talking only about ships that are currently in the NES shop. The reason I am a bit worried is that the other person asked you specifically about ships that are not in the NES shop.

God damn it, this is exactly what I was afraid would happen.



So that's confirmation that they're going to cost real money.

We've wanted player-generated decals on our ships since, oh..., round about forever. Over the past 11 years I've seen all kinds of suggestions made about how it could be doable without bringing TQ to its knees, and the best solutions were always things like pre-approved decals, added to by alliances being able to submit their own (which would consist of a skin tint and a logo) the same way they submit their alliance logos, and having them produced via standard blueprint + authorisation to use alliance logo, and then the item is irretrievably (think rigs) applied to a ship. The new assets get added to the thin client the same way alliance logos do, TQ stays upright, everyone's happy.

That's what I always considered to be the gold standard for how this mechanic would work, when CCP got around to implementing it. This new system, however, smacks of a perfectly good system for a longawaited feature being corrupted to make another system seem more valuable: the New Eden Store.

In the many years between the birth of EVE and the birth of the New Eden Store, the game has gone through several changes that have gradually made more and more of the items in EVE playerproduced. It was already impressive that, at the dawn of the game, almost everything was playermade. The New Eden Store introduced an entire class of items that are not playermade, and, now that it's there, I'm worried that CCP are going to forego the value of the 100% playerinvolved economy in favour of trying to prove that the New Eden Store was worthwhile. I'm worried that, for every new thing like this, the first question is going to be "how would this work in the NES?" rather than "what's the system going to be for players to make this?"

I'm going steal an analogy from Dave Gorman, here. I think it's like the big coffee machines they have in coffee shops. They buy these big expensive things, which are absolutely brilliant for coffee because they put the water out at the right temperature for coffee (i.e. not hot enough to burn it), and then to try and make sure it's getting used enough they use it for everything, so you end up with cups of tea being made with water not hot enough to scald the tea leaves and get the brew going. The original method (a kettle) would have done fine, but because they've got this massive machine at a large investment they feel the need to use it for things for which it shouldn't be used. If they could steam a panini with the milksteaming wand, I'm certain they'd try it instead of using a panini grill.

I'm incredibly disappointed with this. This doesn't seem like a very EVElike feature, to me. It seems like something EA would do.

tl;dr - Make them produced by players, the way things in this game are supposed to be, instead of just fodder for the PLEX->Aurum stored value system, which I am never going to use.

Nothing prevents you from doing that now with the ship paints that already exist.

They could enlarge the number of different ship paints you can buy with the current system if they wanted, they could also make it cheaper if they wanted.
Their reasons for not doing it has to do with server and programmer stress is higher under the current system. I would still vastly prefer the current system.

It is not beyond the realm of possibility for something like that to be added down the road. It is not however on our list for the first release. Once the first release is out if this is an issue that is continued to be raised we will look more at the feasibility of adding it. Our hope however is that changing the skin of a ship is easy and quick enough that this kind of thing shouldn't be an issue.

I am not interested in ship skins at all. The ones that are provided with the current ones are okay for me. When playing eve I really don't care about the skin of a ship considering how far I have zoomed out of the battle I am in.

Eve for me isn't about pretty pictures and so I will certainly not waste any money on it.

HHNNNNGGGGGG!!! Yes please, thank you.

I'm quite ok with skins both being "worthwhile" in that they don't get destroyed every time you lose a ship (so you're actually going to use them) while at the same time being linked to your character in a way that it's a statement of sorts. Being the altoholic that I am it's probably going to cost me a fortune but I'm fine with it.


p.s. if there's not a proper golden option for Amarr ships we're going to have a tern talking and you won't like the outcome.

Grouping your weapons or organizing your modules is also quick and easy enough, but I wouldn't want to do it every thing I switch ships.

You might reconsider this especially for rather unique introduced skins, read tournament prices. It's collector value and bling factor comes from how these were added to EVE and how pilots worked to get those in the first place.

Really not a huge fan of this "non-destructable" malarkey. For one as has been said it takes much of the "bling" factor out of these ships if you can just dock and get another "Quafe Edition" Megathron for the same cost as little Jimmy gets a normal one.

Personally I never understood why there wasn't just a module slot added to all ships like a Rig Slot but for skins, ties it to the hull, is single use, is destroyed when the ship is. Seems REALLY simple, but I am sure there is some big complicated reason that this can't be done, logistically. Added benefit : this keeps the items as destructible which is good for you as you make more aurum sales and good for players because, and I'm not sure if you know this or not but, players REALLY like blowing up expensive ****. The reason ship skins have been massively underutilized till now is the price, I always felt that a couple of £ for a 5 run BPC would be reasonable, again this is just my personal opinion though.

The thing I am worried about is the use of the word "licence", which to me always says "revocable" and I very much see a time in the future where super-bling skins come with a monthly "licensing" fee which has to be paid if I want to keep the skin, and frankly balls to that.