Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, that's your opinion, I think blob is a blob regardless of what shiptypes it consists of.

Decreased fatigue on JBs would just allow blobs to travel faster over longer distances, which has been a long-term issue for nullsec.

Isn't that exactly their purpose, to do more damage and have more tank, and that's why they take years longer to train and cost more than a whole fleet of subcaps?

Where do you draw the line, should 100 Kestrels be as powerful as 100 Proteuses?

Anyway, the capital/super blobs really aren't as mobile as before, and their use has changed because of jump fatigue. All capitals are still due for rebalancing, but I don't think they will be nerfed the way you seem to want.

To have more tank and do more damage than what? than battleships? T3's? better repping power and more tank than any subcap logi? assuming that's what you mean, then i think there's still room for a lot more nerfing without rendering capital useless.




I don't draw any line, I'm simply addressing what seems to me to be the problem. But..
No. 100 Kestrels should not be as powerful as 100 Proteuses.
No. Capitals should not get the same amount of EHP as battleships
ect.



All I'm saying is, the the way i see it, the problem is not subcaps.

yeah i see what you're saying, but i didn't mean that you should tie the fatigue to the ship, i meant if a pilot does 1 jump ie a titan he would get a "can't jump" timer for example for a week, so not a fatigue timer, but a "can't jump" timer, this can ofc be worked around, so maybe for capitals it should tie to both pilot and ship? If you make so that carriers and dreads can't dock either it will also make it harder to stash caps all around the map and make the really vulnerable to spies as well. a couple of pos's stashed with capitals would be a high priority target i think. So you'd again have to make some decisions on keeping lots of caps in a pos vs running a ton of pos's to keep less caps per pos and so on.
Also if you make them easier to kill i guess more would die? and maybe help to keep the cap numbers down.

It's about giving value back to a capital in a fight and get the Jump bridges working again, it's not subcap fleets that are the problem.

Gross exaggeration.

Seriously, adapt to the new reality or **** off

A shame you felt the need to change what is actually written to try and make it mean something else.

"ALMOST" is the key word, you can use jump clones to quickly respond and avoid too much fatigue - As long as you have the numbers willing to have billions in ships just laying around in case they are needed. Tell me, is Fcon planning on just leaving the safety of Branch in inties or will EVERYONE have a JUMPCLONE to quickly get back to defend it..
IMO, if your right and it is still that easy for a 40k+ coalition to move and steam roll everything in their path - Fatigue is a failure and there is another black mark for giant coalitions.


As for the rest of the drivel you posted -
How much did goons make from "selling" SOV they no longer wanted?

Ok determine resource availability by sec status - Where does a small group stand on holding anything with good sec status while we have 40k plus coalitions who want to own anything and everything worth having?

Playing with friends is great. I would bet you don't know more than 0.1% of the people in your "blue group, of friends". Coalitions are bad for nulsec because it actually takes away from the "playing with friends" concept.

I'll be, an NRDS group has a NBSI member on a KOS list.. I wonder why.


Many members of the big coalitions would not survive on their own so will, for as long as they can, play the game with a "group of friends" they don't know and in some cases, don't like.

getting the full whack of jump fatigue from jump bridges is a little bit much given the amount of time and energy that goes into putting a JB network together.

Perhaps remove the ability of a capital to use a jump bridge then apply a 50% fatigue reduction for JBs?

note: only for those anchorable Jump Bridge structures, NOT for Titan bridging.

So if having a few huge coalitions controlling 0.0 is "normal", why is CCP bothering to change sov mechanics?
In the outline from CCP they state SOV changes will benefit SMALL and Large groups but as long as there is giant coalitions, small groups have very limited, if any, access to sov nul. (Honestly, I don't think CCP have a very good handle on 0.0 and what players want at all)

It is hard to embrace 0.0 when you have so few options for game play and those options are being reduced every other day.
NPC 0.0 has a place but is not the answer for a small group who wants to play the sov game. Right now the ONLY way to play the sov game (the biggest draw of sov 0.0 for some) is to join a giant coalition and live by their rules - IE; playing someone else's game.

Tried lowsec and while it is ok for a while it gets old fast because you still have to watch your back as the Giant coalitions are so bored with the lack of 0.0 content, they spend a huge amount of time roaming lowsec. That will not change, I mean seriously, why would a giant coalition fight another giant coalition knowing they might lose, when there is plenty of npc nul and lowsec to hunt in. Far better to have non aggression pacts with anyone who might challenge you than to risk reducing your holdings in a war you can't easily dominate.

If you measured 0.0 activity by SOV changes alone, then 0.0 is really dead. The only sov that changes hands is what is sold off by the giant coalitions because it no longer suits their needs.

The best and most straight forward fix for jump bridges and force projection by subcaps - Your alliance must own the bridge you want to use and tie the placement of jump bridges/ beacons to sov . This combined with an occupancy based sov mechanic, in one fell swoop breaks that control of Sov 0.0 and removes the need for fatigue.
Travelling via 2 or 3 jump bridges to defend your home or get close enough to attack a neighbour should not be penalized or restricted by fatigue.
If pvp needs to be "planned ahead" due to movement restrictions then there is no hope for sov 0.0.

Embracing sov nul for what it has to offer is like saying, if you don't care about PVP content (because there isn't a lot of it) and want to spend days or even weeks moving assets so you can get a fight, only to spend hours sitting on titans, or worse just docked while waiting on pings, then sov nul is for you. If being ruled by coalition statistics under threat of eviction is how you want to "play your game", sov nul is for you.

Breaking the blue donuts of sov nul, removes the need for any further reductions to capitals. In fact it would make capitals an integral part of sov warfare and home defense. Having red neighbours (ones you can fight) would bring to life sov 0.0 but only if they don't outnumber you 30 to 1.

Think you might want t look at the changes again.
ONLY the combat recons are unable to be Dscanned and they can't fit covert cloaks.
I do agree it is time to balance black ops battleships to suit the new limited jump travel meta. I wouldn't hold my breath for changes any time soon as BLOPS is generally considered small gang and the meta is in full swing to Giant coalitions.

Band-aid half assed fix to a problem.

Still.

Still no feedback from CCP on this stupid mechanic.