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Jony Bigodes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-01-20 15:12:23 UTC
Hello. First time poster.

I'm here to share my experience with Eve for those who are interested and ask for advice from the experienced players.

It has been 6 months of gaming now, with a 1 month stop for vacations. It's the first MMO I play to be fair, recommended by a co-worker who plays it to. He talked to me about the game, I got interested about the fact that the game is almost run by their players. The market is the most interesting part for me, for now of course.

I started to read about the game, understanding the mechanics, ways to make money, etc... but there is so many information on the internet i gets overwhelming, which is a good challenge.

I started by mining like most of rookie players I guess, went for missioning, a bit of PI and industry, a jack of all trades. I'm at the point that I have 10M SP, and I am no expert at nothing. I left mining because its boring, and missioning LVL4 is much more profitable but also a bit repeting. Sticked for high sec, ocasionally went to low sec for some missions, wormhole space just from curiosity.

With PI, Datacore mining and Industry, I think I'm in the spot to say that I can play my subscription without losing more than 15 minutes per day in the game. It's a good thing because I want to keep advancing through the skill tree even if I'm not really active, and there's other games I like to play. Between the job, girlfriend an social life I still have some time to enjoy the game.

Summing it all, I've have played this as a single player game really. Until now, because i think I'm ready for getting deeper into the game, playing with people, the fun stuff I hope Smile

What are you recommendations, what path to follow now? Joining a corp of FW is something I would like to do, but if so I will focus my skill tree for PVP, which will led me to other good things, I believe the most fun in the game is there.

Thanks.

"Take all, give 'em nothing"
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2015-01-20 15:20:01 UTC
Well you allready said it. Eve is not a single player game and if you play it as such you will loose interest relativly fast.

So the next step indeed would be to search a nice corp that does what interests you and join them.
Jony Bigodes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-01-20 15:37:23 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Well you allready said it. Eve is not a single player game and if you play it as such you will loose interest relativly fast.

So the next step indeed would be to search a nice corp that does what interests you and join them.


Thank you for your response.

Would it be strange to say that I have interest above all to make absurd amount of ISK? Big smile
More seriously, I think I'm not skilled enough to leave high sec for good, because my income comes from it. I've read that exploration can be seriously profitable, but I have no skills for it yet. My current skill list has 2 months before it's over, and those are the skill I need before I specialize in something. So I'm thinking a bit ahead, I'm ready in 2 months to make a decision about the future of my game.

I think the most difficult decision will be choosing an alliance really. I would like to find a small group of experienced players, which probably will help me to decide the path as we play together. I'm curious about most of the aspects of EVE, except maybe piracy and large scale conflicts, the later because I'm inexperienced at PVP maybe. Maybe with time I'll change my point of view.

After 6 months of game my feeling is that I know 1% about the game really Blink Maybe it's the MMO thing I've missed yet.

Thank you for your advice.

"Take all, give 'em nothing"
Durbon Groth
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-01-20 16:07:40 UTC
If you're just looking to get pure isk, look into incursions. They're a bit skill intensive and groups will usually have very specific ship fittings, but it'll give you something to aim for. Exploration is good fun and profitable sometimes. Plus far less repetetive than missions imo. Scanning skills don't take a long time to train to a decent level. But ultimately if you want to play the big game then you're going to have to go either nullsec or wormholes. Nullsec is pretty easy to get into, you have intel channels and markets and good space for ratting on your own or with a group.
Try looking for a nullsec corp in a stable alliance which accepts newer members. This will get you some experience of pvp too in a good environment with people to teach you. Nullsec Blob warfare generally isn't as interesting as small group pvp but is fascinating to see the level of logistics and organisation that goes into the large fights of eve. However I've never been in a nullsec alliance which hasn't had good small scale pvp opportunities too.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2015-01-20 16:14:38 UTC
whelp, if this is your first mmo you just ruined the entire genre for yourself.

seriously, nothing else in the sphere of mmo can hold a candle to the scope and depth here.

the only reason your not ready for pvp is you don't think you are,
when you hit 20 or 30 million sp you will be no more or less ready than you are right now (or were when you started).

get out there and find a corp with shared interests and start making friends

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Jony Bigodes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-01-20 16:34:48 UTC
Durbon Groth wrote:
If you're just looking to get pure isk, look into incursions. They're a bit skill intensive and groups will usually have very specific ship fittings, but it'll give you something to aim for. Exploration is good fun and profitable sometimes. Plus far less repetetive than missions imo. Scanning skills don't take a long time to train to a decent level. But ultimately if you want to play the big game then you're going to have to go either nullsec or wormholes. Nullsec is pretty easy to get into, you have intel channels and markets and good space for ratting on your own or with a group.
Try looking for a nullsec corp in a stable alliance which accepts newer members. This will get you some experience of pvp too in a good environment with people to teach you. Nullsec Blob warfare generally isn't as interesting as small group pvp but is fascinating to see the level of logistics and organisation that goes into the large fights of eve. However I've never been in a nullsec alliance which hasn't had good small scale pvp opportunities too.


I've made some math and I think I need 20 to 30 days to be very proficient at exploration skills, which is something I would like to try. I've thought about joining a null sec alliance, but I think my PVP skills are fairly low yet. After my current skill list ends I think I'll be decent enough to live in null sec, if I have means to make money in something like PI and Exploration.

Could you talk a bit more about incursions?

Thank you for your advice.

"Take all, give 'em nothing"
Jony Bigodes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-01-20 16:41:34 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
whelp, if this is your first mmo you just ruined the entire genre for yourself.

seriously, nothing else in the sphere of mmo can hold a candle to the scope and depth here.

the only reason your not ready for pvp is you don't think you are,
when you hit 20 or 30 million sp you will be no more or less ready than you are right now (or were when you started).

get out there and find a corp with shared interests and start making friends


Yes I will, it seems to be the next logical step Smile

Thank you

"Take all, give 'em nothing"
Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#8 - 2015-01-20 17:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Chal0ner
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
the only reason your not ready for pvp is you don't think you are,
when you hit 20 or 30 million sp you will be no more or less ready than you are right now (or were when you started).


This. He speaketh the truth does Ralph.

I started my pvp character something like 3 month after I started this one. 1 day, 1 week, 3 months, 6 months it matters not. If you don't actually do it - you will never be ready.

Do what you like to do, it seems that you are interested in pvp? Go join RvB or Brave (have a look at the latest Eve video, Brave is in there) who both are very newbie friendly. Actually me impression is that Incursions are more elitist than said pvp oraganisations, you can always find a spot in their fleets - something you wont in incursion fleets as a combat newbie.
Jony Bigodes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-01-20 17:19:09 UTC
Chal0ner wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
the only reason your not ready for pvp is you don't think you are,
when you hit 20 or 30 million sp you will be no more or less ready than you are right now (or were when you started).


This. He speaketh the truth does Ralph.

I started my pvp character something like 3 month after I started this one. 1 day, 1 week, 3 months, 6 months it matters not. If you don't actually do it - you will never be ready.

Do what you like to do, it seems that you are interested in pvp? Go join RvB or Brave (have a look at the latest Eve video, Brave is in there) who both are very newbie friendly. Actually me impression is that Incursions are more elitist than said pvp oraganisations, you can always find a spot in their fleets - something you wont in incursion fleets as a combat newbie.


Yes, I guess it difficult to say when a player is ready for PVP. The fact is I don't have the skills ingame to be a decent PVP player and also the experience in PVP in EVE. But I think in the next 2 months I will have some base skills to learn to be a PVP player.

I read in Wiki that incursions are not for a player like me, no skill points yet.

Thanks

"Take all, give 'em nothing"
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-01-20 18:05:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Jony Bigodes wrote:
I've thought about joining a null sec alliance, but I think my PVP skills are fairly low yet.

Many PVP groups don't care if you have no SP in combat yet. They are more interested in your attitude and willingness to learn. What they will care about is that you commit to training combat in the future. There is nothing more annoying than trying to teach a newbie how to PvP and finding out that they are waiting to finish exhumers 5 before they train for t2 weapons.

Take a look at the guide Ralph linked and start looking for a corp. Don't get paralyzed by indecision. There are a ton of options but there is no single "best" option. Talk to some people, join some public chats, get a feel for how they operate and what they do. Then apply to a corp that interests you. If it doesn't work out well you can always try again somewhere else. Extensive corp-hopping is frowned upon, but it's expected that a newbro might need a couple tries to find the right group for them.

As for PvP, there are ways for low-skilled players to assist in almost any type of combat. Even if you are just cannon-fodder grabbing targets and holding on for dear life until your fleet arrives. You can also fly a blackbird or t1 logistics ship with very minimal skills and make a big impact on fleet fights. Don't be afraid to look for a corp based in low / null / WH. There are many high-sec pvp corps, but there are many more that claim to be and are not. Checking killboards for activity is a good way to see if a corp is actually out there fighting or if they just claim to be.

Jony Bigodes wrote:
I read in Wiki that incursions are not for a player like me, no skill points yet.

Incursions are basically cooperative missions. Combat against NPCs that requires fleets. It doesn't have very much in common with PvP and is a very different style of play. If you enjoy missions but are looking for more player interaction they might be a good goal for you. If you find missions boring you are likely to find incursions just as boring (if not more - eww waiting for fleets).

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

Titan's Lament
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#11 - 2015-01-20 18:10:37 UTC
Pro tip not every pvp corp is equal. Gather intel on size of gangs, how they pvp, how often they pvp, and are they any good at what they do? You can gather most of this from zkillboard. If you find the right group you'll be up to your eyeballs in fun. Pick a terrible group you'll be clicking unsub faster then.
Jony Bigodes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-01-20 18:13:30 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Jony Bigodes wrote:
I've thought about joining a null sec alliance, but I think my PVP skills are fairly low yet.

Many PVP groups don't care if you have no SP in combat yet. They are more interested in your attitude and willingness to learn. What they will care about is that you commit to training combat in the future. There is nothing more annoying than trying to teach a newbie how to PvP and finding out that they are waiting to finish exhumers 5 before they train for t2 weapons.

Take a look at the guide Ralph linked and start looking for a corp. Don't get paralyzed by indecision. There are a ton of options but there is no single "best" option. Talk to some people, join some public chats, get a feel for how they operate and what they do. Then apply to a corp that interests you. If it doesn't work out well you can always try again somewhere else. Extensive corp-hopping is frowned upon, but it's expected that a newbro might need a couple tries to find the right group for them.

As for PvP, there are ways for low-skilled players to assist in almost any type of combat. Even if you are just cannon-fodder grabbing targets and holding on for dear life until your fleet arrives. You can also fly a blackbird or t1 logistics ship with very minimal skills and make a big impact on fleet fights. Don't be afraid to look for a corp based in low / null / WH. There are many high-sec pvp corps, but there are many more that claim to be and are not. Checking killboards for activity is a good way to see if a corp is actually out there fighting or if they just claim to be.



Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about FW but I had in mind that joining a null sec corp would be a decent decision to, mainly because from what I read, living in null sec in controlled space is fairly "safe". My main goal here is of course to be able to pay the subscription (I usually prefer not to spend money on games if there is an option not to) and keep improving my skills as a player. At the same time I believe a big corp would be a bit overwhelming at first, I would certainly benefit more with a smaller group of skilled players, if they let me join of course.

That I am for sure, keen to learn more always. If I'm useful at running any profession they like I'm not against moving my skill set for that ship/role. It's good to be useful for a common goal I guess.

Thanks

"Take all, give 'em nothing"
Jony Bigodes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-01-20 18:18:32 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
Pro tip not every pvp corp is equal. Gather intel on size of gangs, how they pvp, how often they pvp, and are they any good at what they do? You can gather most of this from zkillboard. If you find the right group you'll be up to your eyeballs in fun. Pick a terrible group you'll be clicking unsub faster then.


Thank you for your input on the subject, I'll look into it Smile

"Take all, give 'em nothing"
Simca Develon
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-01-20 19:50:45 UTC
Chal0ner wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
the only reason your not ready for pvp is you don't think you are,
when you hit 20 or 30 million sp you will be no more or less ready than you are right now (or were when you started).


This. He speaketh the truth does Ralph.

I started my pvp character something like 3 month after I started this one. 1 day, 1 week, 3 months, 6 months it matters not. If you don't actually do it - you will never be ready.

Do what you like to do, it seems that you are interested in pvp? Go join RvB or Brave (have a look at the latest Eve video, Brave is in there) who both are very newbie friendly. Actually me impression is that Incursions are more elitist than said pvp oraganisations, you can always find a spot in their fleets - something you wont in incursion fleets as a combat newbie.


Both of these gentlemen are right.
You were ready to PVP on day one you just didn't know it, and you're ready to PVP now.
If you do want to PVP and learn to PVP I would suggest a good FW corp or RvB.
Both generally help new players with fits and advice and both are fun as hell.
The only way to learn is by doing, so go do! Hell get a cheap frig and go to lowsec and pick a fight.
It's a lot of fun even though you will most likely diaf.

Regardless of what you do just make sure you have fun doing it.

P.S.

You pretty much did kill your chances of ever liking another MMO.
Theres just something about EVE that makes it get under your skin, and once it does that you pretty much never get rid of it.

Je suis le commencement de votre fin.

Le diable prend soin de son proper.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2015-01-20 19:50:56 UTC
Jony Bigodes wrote:
Chal0ner wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
the only reason your not ready for pvp is you don't think you are,
when you hit 20 or 30 million sp you will be no more or less ready than you are right now (or were when you started).


This. He speaketh the truth does Ralph.

I started my pvp character something like 3 month after I started this one. 1 day, 1 week, 3 months, 6 months it matters not. If you don't actually do it - you will never be ready.

Do what you like to do, it seems that you are interested in pvp? Go join RvB or Brave (have a look at the latest Eve video, Brave is in there) who both are very newbie friendly. Actually me impression is that Incursions are more elitist than said pvp oraganisations, you can always find a spot in their fleets - something you wont in incursion fleets as a combat newbie.


Yes, I guess it difficult to say when a player is ready for PVP. The fact is I don't have the skills ingame to be a decent PVP player and also the experience in PVP in EVE. But I think in the next 2 months I will have some base skills to learn to be a PVP player.

I read in Wiki that incursions are not for a player like me, no skill points yet.

Thanks

You are missing the point,
the only thing you need to be a good pvp player is to be able to fit a scram or a disruptor

that's all

you can fly your racial frigates already so buy a couple, fit tackle and go shoot someone in the face right now.
when you get exploded convo the guys that shot you and see if they will chat to you.

ask if they will let you fly with them for an hour or so.

a good attitude will get you much much further than eleventytwelvebillion skillpoints and twice as much isk.

you don't need anything you don't already have.
trust me on this,
i wasted my first year and a bit thinking that i would be better if i just had that one extra skill or that one thing to lvl 5.
what matters is the your skill* and your attitude not what you can fly and what sp you have.
trust me , eve gets waaaaaaaay better when you realise we are the content.


*the only way to get this is to start pvping.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Jony Bigodes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-01-20 20:54:03 UTC
Simca Develon wrote:
Chal0ner wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
the only reason your not ready for pvp is you don't think you are,
when you hit 20 or 30 million sp you will be no more or less ready than you are right now (or were when you started).


This. He speaketh the truth does Ralph.

I started my pvp character something like 3 month after I started this one. 1 day, 1 week, 3 months, 6 months it matters not. If you don't actually do it - you will never be ready.

Do what you like to do, it seems that you are interested in pvp? Go join RvB or Brave (have a look at the latest Eve video, Brave is in there) who both are very newbie friendly. Actually me impression is that Incursions are more elitist than said pvp oraganisations, you can always find a spot in their fleets - something you wont in incursion fleets as a combat newbie.


Both of these gentlemen are right.
You were ready to PVP on day one you just didn't know it, and you're ready to PVP now.
If you do want to PVP and learn to PVP I would suggest a good FW corp or RvB.
Both generally help new players with fits and advice and both are fun as hell.
The only way to learn is by doing, so go do! Hell get a cheap frig and go to lowsec and pick a fight.
It's a lot of fun even though you will most likely diaf.

Regardless of what you do just make sure you have fun doing it.

P.S.

You pretty much did kill your chances of ever liking another MMO.
Theres just something about EVE that makes it get under your skin, and once it does that you pretty much never get rid of it.


I agree with you saying that the only way to learn it is to do it Blink

But I think it's a little bit to soon to say that I won't be enjoying any other MMO because the reality is that after 6 months of playing I want more of it, specially the part of multiplayer which I never had Smile

"Take all, give 'em nothing"
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2015-01-20 21:06:08 UTC
Jony Bigodes wrote:
More seriously, I think I'm not skilled enough to leave high sec for good, because my income comes from it.

There are people that leave hisec on day one.

The help of a good corp is all you need.
Jony Bigodes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-01-20 21:28:44 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jony Bigodes wrote:
Chal0ner wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
the only reason your not ready for pvp is you don't think you are,
when you hit 20 or 30 million sp you will be no more or less ready than you are right now (or were when you started).


This. He speaketh the truth does Ralph.

I started my pvp character something like 3 month after I started this one. 1 day, 1 week, 3 months, 6 months it matters not. If you don't actually do it - you will never be ready.

Do what you like to do, it seems that you are interested in pvp? Go join RvB or Brave (have a look at the latest Eve video, Brave is in there) who both are very newbie friendly. Actually me impression is that Incursions are more elitist than said pvp oraganisations, you can always find a spot in their fleets - something you wont in incursion fleets as a combat newbie.


Yes, I guess it difficult to say when a player is ready for PVP. The fact is I don't have the skills ingame to be a decent PVP player and also the experience in PVP in EVE. But I think in the next 2 months I will have some base skills to learn to be a PVP player.

I read in Wiki that incursions are not for a player like me, no skill points yet.

Thanks

You are missing the point,
the only thing you need to be a good pvp player is to be able to fit a scram or a disruptor

that's all

you can fly your racial frigates already so buy a couple, fit tackle and go shoot someone in the face right now.
when you get exploded convo the guys that shot you and see if they will chat to you.

ask if they will let you fly with them for an hour or so.

a good attitude will get you much much further than eleventytwelvebillion skillpoints and twice as much isk.

you don't need anything you don't already have.
trust me on this,
i wasted my first year and a bit thinking that i would be better if i just had that one extra skill or that one thing to lvl 5.
what matters is the your skill* and your attitude not what you can fly and what sp you have.
trust me , eve gets waaaaaaaay better when you realise we are the content.


*the only way to get this is to start pvping.


Yes, those thinks I can already do, but I normally don't want to suck to hard at doing something. As in life, I'm perfectionist and have pleasure in doing things right, so I want to be at a certain level of knowledge to be at least decent in PVP.

Thank you for the advice Blink

"Take all, give 'em nothing"
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2015-01-20 21:49:29 UTC
Jony Bigodes wrote:


Yes, those thinks I can already do, but I normally don't want to suck to hard at doing something. As in life, I'm perfectionist and have pleasure in doing things right, so I want to be at a certain level of knowledge to be at least decent in PVP.

Thank you for the advice Blink

Yes but you are going to suck at it initially regardless is what I'm saying.
The correct way to learn about PVP is to fail at it repeatedly until you fail less and less.
I had about 7 months ontop of what you currently have and I sucked.

Had I waited another 6 months I would have still have sucked just as much because that's just how you learn to PVP.
you suck at it until you don't suck so much.
I still suck at it but I suck at it considerably less than most of the people iv engaged with.
I got there by just accepting that I suck, and going out to die in a glorious fire.

Make absolutely no mistake, we all suck at it, just some of us have sucked long enough to suck less than everyone else and the sooner you get into it, the sooner you will suck less than the next guy.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Jony Bigodes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-01-20 21:49:39 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jony Bigodes wrote:
More seriously, I think I'm not skilled enough to leave high sec for good, because my income comes from it.

There are people that leave hisec on day one.

The help of a good corp is all you need.


True I guess. But probably they had the feedback of players who knew the game, I've basically learned the game as I was playing, so I probably had a different approach in that matter Blink

"Take all, give 'em nothing"
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