EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hello everyone!

I've been around the traps for about a month now, so needless to say I'm still on all fours ;)

A week or so ago, I stumbled across my attributes page, and the remap button. I thought I'd check out the effect different levels of abilities would have on my training times, so I proceeded to do a bit of testing, by using up my two bonus remaps and the one for the year. Of course I didn't read the warnings, and of course I now know that was really silly.

After my third remap, when I realised I would be stuck as I was for a year, I had the following skills:

Perception : 17
Memory: 25
Willpower: 17
Intelligence: 23
Charisma: 17

I was lucky enough to have my one remap for the year reset by a friendly GM after I put in a support ticket.

So, my question - Given that I'm still a newbie and have no solid plans for the future as yet, should I use my remap now to reset my points to a more level playing field, or wait until I know what I want to do when I grow up?

Thanks in advance.

Not the worst. Bearable for a primary drone user, miner, or industry character. Not so great for combat otherwise.

MEM > INT
* Manufacturing
* Mining
* Reprocessing
* Drones (MEM > PER)
* Can still do INT > MEM too, which is the majority of core skills.

In general I'd rate the importance of attributes as: INT = PER >> MEM = WIL >>> CHA. Specializing can shift the importance.

I consider 2000 SP/hour the minimum training rate I'd recommend. This doesn't mean that I don't train skills that are under that amount, but rather try to keep the time training such skills to a minimum. Note that 2700 SP/hour is the maximum possible.

If you search the forums for "remap" you will find lots of posts by me.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3095907#post3095907

Example of what never changing your attributes looks like after nearly 6 years with a general mapping (average of 2,404.09 SP/hour). Notice that having low PER & WIL doesn't prevent one from training those skills (ships, missiles, turrets, T2 ships), though the character is primarily a drone user.

I'd wait and really consider what you want to train. I have 132m SP and I still have 4 bonus remaps; they are not replaceable and should not be wasted.

Breakdown of your attributes

No implants:
25m > 23i = 2190 SP/hour [Manufacturing, Mining, Reprocessing]
23i > 25m = 2130 SP/hour [Core skills, Research & T2/T3 Manufacturing]
25m > 17p = 2010 SP/hour [Drones]
23i > 17p = 1890 SP/hour [Navigation]
17p > 17w = 1530 SP/hour [Ships, turrets, missiles]
17w > 17p = 1530 SP/hour [T2 ships]

+3 Implants:
28m > 26i = 2460 SP/hour [Manufacturing, Mining, Reprocessing]
26i > 28m = 2400 SP/hour [Core skills, Research & T2/T3 Manufacturing]
28m > 20p = 2280 SP/hour [Drones]
26i > 20p = 2160 SP/hour [Navigation]
20p > 20w = 1800 SP/hour [Ships, turrets, missiles]
20w > 20p = 1800 SP/hour [T2 ships]

+4 Implants:
29m > 27i = 2550 SP/hour [Manufacturing, Mining, Reprocessing]
27i > 29m = 2490 SP/hour [Core skills, Research & T2/T3 Manufacturing]
29m > 21p = 2370 SP/hour [Drones]
27i > 21p = 2250 SP/hour [Navigation]
21p > 21w = 1890 SP/hour [Ships, turrets, missiles]
21w > 21p = 1890 SP/hour [T2 ships]

+5 Implants:
30m > 28i = 2640 SP/hour [Manufacturing, Mining, Reprocessing]
28i > 30m = 2580 SP/hour [Core skills, Research & T2/T3 Manufacturing]
30m > 22p = 2460 SP/hour [Drones]
28i > 22p = 2340 SP/hour [Navigation
22p > 22w = 1980 SP/hour [Ships, turrets, missiles]
22w > 22p = 1980 SP/hour [T2 ships]

Notice that +1 to both primary and secondary attributes yields +90 SP/hour.

Intel and memory are really great skills to be stuck in. They are good for a large part of ship piloting skills. Anything having to do with tank be it armor or shield as well as electronics and engineering skills and navigation and targeting. Drone skills also would be decent to train with this remap. Of course this is ignoring all the industry and Planetary Interaction skills that it's good for as well as scanning.

You can look at any skill in the show info UI and there is an attribute tab. So skills train at your primary attribute plus half of your secondary attribute per minute. So for you ideally you would want skills with Memory as Primary and Intel as secondary but honestly they are so close that intel primary memory secondary would be almost the same. Also anything with Memory or intel as a primary won't be terribly bad either.

The math:
25 memory primary and half of 23 intel secondary is your ideal 25 + ( 23 X .5 ) = 36.5 skill points per minute or 2190 skill points per hour.

Intel primary and memory secondary would be 35.5 per minute or 2130 per hour.

anything with memory as a primary and any other stat ( since for you they are all 17 ) would be 33.5 per minute or 2010 per hour.

For comparison the baseline that I think you started with was 20 on everything except charisma which is 19. For that remap anything non charisma related would be 30 per minute or 1800 per hour.

So as you can see anything with intel or memory as a primary is going to be better now than it was before which is a lot of usefull skills that you will need very soon. If you can stand to train those skills for now and get access to all T2 tank mods and get some halfway decent targeting skills probably want to throw some scanning skills in there then get navigation up and some basic drone skills then you could remap to something more perception / willpower based which will be good for all ship piloting and damage skills like guns and missiles.

What you really need is an app called EveMon that allows you to make skill plans and move stuff around and even see how remaps would affect skill plans as well as a button to calculate the ideal remap for a given skill plan. It's all out of game so it does not mess with anything in game until you come up with a plan that you are happy with. It is an awesome tool and can be combined with EFT ( Eve Fitting Tool ) for even more useful stuff like importing ship fits and characters into skill plans and such.

Also it is likely that none of this would have happen if you weren't trying to solo eve. I recommend you get in a noob friendly group and ask questions. Eve is full of lessons that can be learned the hard way or the easy way and as you have seen there are real consequences.

I never really liked the idea of doing Attribute Remaps and then training skills in a specific skill group class just to have increased amount of Skill-points per hour.

Instead I opted for a full set of +5 Attribute Implants to do that.

Since I'm the type of player that doesn't put much stock into following 'Skill Plans' and I basically jump around to different skill groups when needed, I have my Base Attributes set up as a 'Jack Of All Types' setting.

Intelligence: 22
Perception : 20
Memory: 20
Willpower: 20
Charisma: 17

With a full set of +5 Attribute Implants installed, my average Skill-points per hour is 2,198.25



DMC

Yeah I'm not sure about that either.

So for any newer players reading this that have not burned up your remaps yet a couple tips:

Your first year in the game you jump around the skills so much you really don't want to remap into anything. What you think you want to train for the next year now and what next week you thinks he wants to train for the next year likely won't be the same thing. If anything I can say the liklihood of you using a lot of charisma based skills in your first year is not good. You will likely use some just not alot in most cases other than that you'll use the other 4 attributes all very much.

Never remap into a heavily focused attribute map unless you have a spare bonus remap to get yourself out of it if something changes. Your needs change skills change sometimes new ships and modules come out that you need to train for. You never know for sure what you will be training for the next year.

When I first started I remapped my main to get max skill points per hour. I had 2 active accounts back then and knew that I'd likely have to play the second toon for a while until my main got more balanced in his skills. That alt became my main and to this day my second toon with much less skill points is a far more useful toon.

i prefer the int/percep remap for new players. Sure drones will train a little bit slow but it covers almost all the bases

The only way we ever had the option to choose extra bonus remaps was with the Xmas gifts a couple of years ago.

Reposting because I don't think anybody is clicking on the link I posted above:

Also the character I posted above that has not remapped in 6 years has the last of the above general mappings, which I can recommend to new players that have no idea what they want to do.

I would highly disagree while ship and weapon skills are often trained the engineering, navigation, and electronics are just as important as well as drones. All of which have little no no use of perception and will power.

While it is up to the individual until you complete a majority of the core skills I would go with the balanced approach.