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no more sell warning after Phoebe [bug]

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Gustaf en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-01-19 14:47:18 UTC
After the release of Phoebe's multi-sell option, the interface no longer presents a warning if you're accidentally selling something for 10% of its value. I filed a bug report and the CCP agent response was that it is working as intended. Why did we lose this key piece of functionality? As a trader who updates hundreds of orders dozens of times a day, sometimes I make a typo. Today I sold some drones for 134,525 instead of 1,345,250 and cost myself about 2 billion. This kind of thing has happened to me 3 times since Phoebe release each time costing a lot of money.

Your opinions are valuable, I would like to construct a case to request CCP re-add this functionality.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#2 - 2015-01-19 15:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
We always have to be thorough in our actions, and we are always to blame for same acions. but I would certainly like them fix this asap and make it more consistent. I added 3 zeros too many on a sell order the other day, that cost me 408 mil in broker fee.

My question is: what purpose or intent can there be in *not* having a warning when you put something for sale? If the same item is already for sale, and you try and erroneously adjust the price with 3 zeros too many, then you *do* get a clear warning. Completely illogical.

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Gustaf en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-01-19 16:36:25 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
We always have to be thorough in our actions, and we are always to blame for same acions. but I would certainly like them fix this asap and make it more consistent. I added 3 zeros too many on a sell order the other day, that cost me 408 mil in broker fee.

My question is: what purpose or intent can there be in *not* having a warning when you put something for sale? If the same item is already for sale, and you try and erroneously adjust the price with 3 zeros too many, then you *do* get a clear warning. Completely illogical.



Considering I have become used to this feature I type very quickly when updating many orders per day, knowing that it would stop me if I make such a typo. 3 expensive mistakes later now I have to very slowly update the orders.

To answer your question, and being a developer myself, I suspect this has to do with the programming of the multi-sell-item box. The update order and buy order boxes are both simple input boxes that take an item, a quantity and a price. Therefore it is easy to calculate whether the order is outside the safe range and pop a warning (although even before, there were sporadic bugs I reported related to this, where it would show the warning even if you just bumped your order up by 1 cent). The new sell box since it takes multiple items probably the developer neglected to add this feature as it would need to perform the check for each item inside that sell box, and if any of them were outside the parameters, pop up the warning. I don't use the multi-sell feature, I only put 1 item at a time, therefore I want the old functionality back.

The main purpose of this thread is to get input from the community that this is indeed valuable so that we can make a case to CCP that it needs to be put back. In my opinion any functionality that used to be there that is now gone is called a regression and therefore needs to be fixed.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#4 - 2015-01-19 18:23:33 UTC
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Cista2
EVE Museum
#5 - 2015-01-19 18:32:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
In the previous thread it was established that when you sell multiple items you *do* get a warning if your price(s) is outside limits.

It is *only* when you erect an order for one single item that you will not get a warning. The muliple sell box can handle giving you a warning, the code is already there.
Which makes it just more silly to have this seller "trap" for single items.

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Gustaf en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-01-19 23:45:46 UTC
I have just tested and there is no warning for both single items and multiple items.


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Iain Cariaba
#7 - 2015-01-20 03:39:58 UTC
Of course, if you were to simlpy, oh, I don't know, double check your numbers before hitting ok then none of this would even be necessary.

Suppose that's too much to ask when CCP can simply do it for you, right?
Gustaf en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-01-20 04:31:44 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Of course, if you were to simlpy, oh, I don't know, double check your numbers before hitting ok then none of this would even be necessary.

Suppose that's too much to ask when CCP can simply do it for you, right?


of course, you are, simply, not a high volume trader, that updates hundreds of orders a day? surely, none of the UI features in Eve are necessary, we can all just communicate to the server using binary packets handwritten in notepad. Too much to ask, when CCP can simply do it for you?
Iain Cariaba
#9 - 2015-01-20 12:32:03 UTC
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Of course, if you were to simlpy, oh, I don't know, double check your numbers before hitting ok then none of this would even be necessary.

Suppose that's too much to ask when CCP can simply do it for you, right?


of course, you are, simply, not a high volume trader, that updates hundreds of orders a day? surely, none of the UI features in Eve are necessary, we can all just communicate to the server using binary packets handwritten in notepad. Too much to ask, when CCP can simply do it for you?

Ahh yes, I usually get this response when I tell people to take personal responsibility for their own actions. There is a vast difference between your inane example of not having any UI to play the game, and wanting CCP to constantly double check your own actions so that you aren't making any mistakes. Half a second is all it takes to verify you typed in the proper number, probably not even that. So if you run 300 orders in a day, you would have spent 2.5 minutes total verifying your own actions. 2.5 minutes out of hours.

Try simply learning from your mistakes instead of asking CCP to be your nanny.
Gustaf en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-01-20 15:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Gustaf en Gravonere
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Of course, if you were to simlpy, oh, I don't know, double check your numbers before hitting ok then none of this would even be necessary.

Suppose that's too much to ask when CCP can simply do it for you, right?


of course, you are, simply, not a high volume trader, that updates hundreds of orders a day? surely, none of the UI features in Eve are necessary, we can all just communicate to the server using binary packets handwritten in notepad. Too much to ask, when CCP can simply do it for you?

Ahh yes, I usually get this response when I tell people to take personal responsibility for their own actions. There is a vast difference between your inane example of not having any UI to play the game, and wanting CCP to constantly double check your own actions so that you aren't making any mistakes. Half a second is all it takes to verify you typed in the proper number, probably not even that. So if you run 300 orders in a day, you would have spent 2.5 minutes total verifying your own actions. 2.5 minutes out of hours.

Try simply learning from your mistakes instead of asking CCP to be your nanny.



Perhaps you are one of those trolls that doesn't read the initial post before spewing your vomit? You seem to be missing the fact that this was AN EXISTING FEATURE and the fact that it is no longer working is a BUG or REGRESSION. We are not debating that this is an important feature - CCP has already decided that it is (and it has been a part of the game for years). Then again, if you ever market traded, you would already know this, meaning that you are spewing your inane commentary on a subject that you actually know nothing about. By the way, if CCP didn't care about giving traders tools to make their life easier and faster, then they wouldn't have added the multisell feature in the first place. Obviously there is a significant interest from CCP in making the game more user friendly from all aspects, be it for industrialists, pirates, miners, whatever.