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If you're going to Close threads for redundancy, please provide Link.

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FoxFire Ayderan
#1 - 2015-01-18 23:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: FoxFire Ayderan
I'm seeing a lot of the forum griefers who apparently like to proclaim other posters' idea posts are redundant.

A few of these are indeed legitimate, but many of these I find questionable calls given that the ideas may be similar yet are different enough to warrant their own thread. Ideas that should be discussed separately with the OP, rather than a new post in an existing thread which hijacks that OP's thread. In some situations discussing a related idea in someone elses thread makes sense, in others it does not. Also ideas posted and buried weeks ago ought not be taken into consideration as a redundant thread.

In any case, I've noticed ISD almost reflexively closes these threads by the simple report of certain forum posters who not only like to proclaim their reporting (a violation of rule #12 I should think)* but who are easily identifiable as forum griefers, and therefore should have their reporting actions questioned.

Therefore, I would like to make a suggestion that any closures of threads due to alleged redundancy have a LINK posted in the ISD's closure post, to whatever related thread it is claimed to be redundant with. Ideally for the ISD someone in the thread (presumably the reporter) will have "respectfully" directed the OP to that redundant thread and provided the link in their report to ISD so they can link to it in their closure. If not, then if the ISD cannot identify the redundant thread him or herself, it ought not be closed.

Thanks.

* In my view, proclamations of 'reporting' is a pre-emptive violation of Forum Rule #12

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12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.

The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.

If someone claims they are reporting a thread which is then locked by an ISD, I can assure you there is some veiled chest thumping and "in your face sucka' " going on there from the Reporter toward the Reportee. This can lead to exactly the same sort of thing that Rule #12 is established to prevent.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#2 - 2015-01-18 23:09:38 UTC
if a thread is opened on the same topic and you open another one on the same topic even if it handles the problem or idea differently it is still redundant. just because a post has been quiet for a few weeks if it hasn't been locked for inactivity a new thread on that topic is redundant.

most mods will provide links to the other threads but this is not something they should have to do. you have a search box use it. and yes this thread does violate rule 12.


(rule 12 is not a rule i agree with but it is a rule none the less)
FoxFire Ayderan
#3 - 2015-01-18 23:14:36 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
if a thread is opened on the same topic and you open another one on the same topic even if it handles the problem or idea differently it is still redundant. just because a post has been quiet for a few weeks if it hasn't been locked for inactivity a new thread on that topic is redundant.

most mods will provide links to the other threads but this is not something they should have to do. you have a search box use it. and yes this thread does violate rule 12.


(rule 12 is not a rule i agree with but it is a rule none the less)


I have to disagree. Someone who necros a thread is likely to get as much grief, if not more, than re-posting an idea that was discussed weeks ago, which they may have themselves also considered but have their own input in regard to.

Also this is not a violation of Rule #12 because it's not related to any specific action on any specific post, but is referring in general to closures and suggesting an idea (which this forum is for) for said actions in general.

Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2015-01-18 23:19:57 UTC
then what was this thread closed for?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=398413&find=unread



also i don't normally see people get upset by others posting on old threads unless it was someone just doing it to bump the thread do you have a few links?

this is me honestly asking as i really haven't seen it done b4
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-01-18 23:21:43 UTC
Better a necro'd thread where points don't have to be repeated and may be addressed without having to wait for people to do your brainstorming. Also, I'd rather give credit where it is due, to original ideas from the original poster.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.

Lugh Crow-Slave
#6 - 2015-01-18 23:28:26 UTC
also if a thread does go to long with out a post it gets locked so if it hasn't been locked its not that old
FoxFire Ayderan
#7 - 2015-01-18 23:28:39 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
then what was this thread closed for?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=398413&find=unread



also i don't normally see people get upset by others posting on old threads unless it was someone just doing it to bump the thread do you have a few links?

this is me honestly asking as i really haven't seen it done b4


Good question. That thread probably ought not to have been closed.

As to your other question, I suppose I'm speaking from experience of other gaming forums where not only do some people get agitated from necroing old threads, but it can even be a rule violation (which never made sense since if that were the rule then why aren't old threads automatically closed.)

Still, in some cases an old thread my be many pages long, to which the OP for the reposted idea may not want to sift through to see if their idea is fleshed out and questions addressed in that particular thread,. And neither would those who may also be new to the discussion and seeing the idea for the first time. I'm thinking for example of various WiS related ideas, to which there are MANY different ideas for. These don't all belong in a single thread, and in an old WiS thread with dozens of pages one should not have to wade through that to see if their specific aspect to that idea was brought up.

Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#8 - 2015-01-18 23:30:55 UTC
Reported thread for ranting
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#9 - 2015-01-18 23:31:11 UTC
We will usually provide you with something to type into the search line...

"Yay another afk cloaking thread!" or soemthing to that effect...
Iain Cariaba
#10 - 2015-01-18 23:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Maybe instead of ranting about it in a thread that's is doomed for locking, perhaps you should learn from the experience.

Also, if is not ISD's job to do your research for you. They are only here to moderate the forum and keep me just on the civil side of polite.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#11 - 2015-01-18 23:34:38 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:

Good question. That thread probably ought not to have been closed.


For everyone who read that thread, we noticed the thread was in fact, not closed for redundancy, but because it was a discussion of forum moderation, which is another rule plainly stated is a no-no.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#12 - 2015-01-18 23:41:55 UTC
Hi! We've actually made great strides since the beginning of CCL, where threads would get closed without needing a reason to be locked. Since then we've done as much as possible to make our moderation transparent so you know why something gets locked. For example, this thread will be locked for the following reasons:

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3. Ranting is prohibited.

A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.

12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.

The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.

23. Post constructively.

Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.



In addition, thread necromancy does get a lock as well, under the following rule:

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Forum rules

13. Spamming is prohibited.

Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or nonsensical post that has no substance and is often designed to annoy other forum users. This can include the words “first”, “go back to insert other game name” and other such posts that contribute no value to forum discussion. Spamming also includes the posting of ASCII art within a forum post, or the practice of “thread necromancy” which involved bumping of old threads for no justifiable reason.



If you have an issue with the way moderation is performed, you are invited to open a petition about the matter. Have a nice day.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

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