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Solecist Project
#721 - 2015-01-18 15:25:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
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May I please remind people of breathing ...
... taking a step back ...
... and realising when they are starting to insta-respond and blindly ragepost.



Take at least a minute after reading a post ...
... letting it sink in ...
... before you even start typing out the response.


Insta-responding shows pure pattern-based behaviour and comparison with already saved data (one's viewpoint)
compared to letting information actually sink in for better processing.


Try it.


Don't be a machine.



Thanks.






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Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#722 - 2015-01-18 15:25:55 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Sure, but it is very very hard to be consistant with your lies if you are pretending to be a new player while you have knowledge about certain mechanics.
Really? I've never had a problem with it.

J'Poll wrote:
Someone who is new, isn't fully dedicated skilling into a certain ship + fit for instance.
Which is why you don;t do that. Not only do I know how to not be obvious, I have awoxing skills plans set up which were inspired by real newbies actual attempts at skilling and have all sorts of weird methods of skilling. It's even better once they start telling you how to skill up better and you follow their advice.
Solecist Project
#723 - 2015-01-18 15:27:12 UTC
Tim is a great example of an insta-responder.

And he lacks actual believeability.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#724 - 2015-01-18 15:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Tim Timpson wrote:
A. Wrong.

B. No, that's not what it means at all. But very few awoxers are going to get all the way up to 50m SP just to use a corp aggression awox. Players at that level are going to be robbing you, which is not being removed.

C. While a trainee corp does work, it's not particularly fun for the recruit, is not perfectly safe and takes more effort. Generally only alliances will have training corps. A corp outside of an alliance generally won't. And again, you can;t force people to do this, so it still means most people just won't recruit newbies since it's easeir and more effective.

D. Which is great sounding to *you* but sounds lame to the recruit. Mainly because it's lame.

E. I'm not going to go back through this thread to give you a list that you can;t be bothered to make. Especially since you supposedly have a list of heaps of corps who currently are awesome and recruit day one newbies, yet you refuse to prove that.

F. I'm not crying about anything. I don't need to cry. The change won;t affect me, it;s a change to help newbies, and most importantly, the change is already coming. I've already won by not being against what CCP is doing. Why would I cry about something that is happening which I agree with?

G. Well you can't force a behavioural change. Yes, it would be great if people just used the current system and actually recruited noobs and dealt with awoxers in another way. but they don't, so the point is moot.

And lol onto the typical "YOU MUST WANT THE WHOLE GAME TO BE SAFE AND EASY!!!". Seriously, stop being terrible. Easy mode awoxing is going. Get over it.


A. It's only wrong if you are too stupid to spot someone who is lying and pretending to be a new player. You can never hide your knowledge about game mechanics compeletly.

B. You would be surprised how many higher skilled people do exactly this. Though I agree, they tend to add theft with it as their main goal.

C. So, how is it not fun for the recruit. There is LITTERALLY no difference to what he can do in the trainee corp that he could do in the real corp, other then his corp ticker in space.

D. Not if you have a good recruit that really wants to join your corp and if you let him on comms and join all the activities. If they find it lame, then you are not the corp they were looking for. They should join any of the ****** random high-sec corps that litter EVE.

E. Okay, but only list corps that are good corps, not just random corps in highsec that have NO clue what they are doing. Only list those that are good, know what they are doing, have the logistics etc in place to assist a new player in EVE AND that stated they will immediately change their recruitment policy.

F. Hmz, I like the idea...but I'm not affected by it...doesn't compute. How would joining a random ****** ran high-sec corp help a new player? Please, enlighten me how a corp that does not know the basic ways of EVE can help a new player. I can say, a ****** corp experience for a new player will make them leave just as fast, if not faster. As if that corp is that ****, all others will likely be the same anyway. Now at least the corps that DO recruit new players, often do it for the reason to benefit a new player.

So, you win by just being a mindless drone always agreeing with what is happening to you. Damn, you must be living in a dictatorship country where free speech isn't allowed.

G. Not really. YOu do know by voicing your opinion instead of being mr numbnuts who just agrees with everything, you can make a change.

Again, I've said, I'm not against the system. If there are consequences to it too, and the consequences don't have to be huge.

Say, like CONCORD is willing to look the other way when you pay then 50mil for a week to shoot some other corp, why not say, sure, you can not shoot each other, for a fee small fee. If a corp has to pay say...50 mil a month*...to keep FF off, I'm perfectly fine with the system. Currently there is no real consequence to turn it on, and no benefit of leaving it off (for the vast majority of the high-sec corps). A small fee of 50 mil a month, it doesn't hurt a corp at all, yet they get the benefit of the system. If a corp doesn't want to pay that amount of ISK to make CONCORD pay attention to their members, then CONCORD will go back to their donuts.

I'm not against the change, I'm against how they implement it.

And yes, now easy mode awoxing is going. Next you want easy mode ganking to be going and then easy mode wardecs should be a thing of the past.


* or just another small fee or a tax %

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#725 - 2015-01-18 15:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Timpson
J'Poll wrote:
Tim Timpson wrote:
I've read your posts and you have barely an understanding of simple mechanics. You struggled to understand how mining yield works, which is probably one of the most basic things to understand.


Cause, maybe none of the corp were even remotely interested in mining all together.

Cause, nobody with even more then 1 braincell would like to mine in EVE.

Hell, I can tell you, I would rather put a gun to my head and pull the trigger then I would ever mine in this game.
So to be clear, what you're saying is you were arguing a point you had no clue about with a miner who in fact did know what he was talking about, even though it's a very very basic principle?

And you're saying that when you were in corps like Borealis Mining Concern, you never picked up basic knowledge on mining? And yet you want us to believe that all the rest of the rubbish you are coming up with now isn't also made up even though you seem to have about the same level of knowledge?

J'Poll wrote:
ABCDEFG
I'm not going to get into a giant alphabetised argument with someone like yourself. I get it, you don't like the change and you will say anything to try to make it sound like it's terrible. The fact is CCP know what they are doing, they've told us about this, had discussions with the CSM and with us, and they've made a decision. The change is coming, so you can either put up with it or quit, it really is that simple.

Edit: Oh, and a fee would go against the reason they are making the change. The change is being made so that it is risk and cost free to recruit new players, so I doubt we'll see a fee.
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#726 - 2015-01-18 15:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Solops Crendraven
Well Im glad We are having a Heated Debate About awoxing is no more again! Lol I Agree with the OP it pro bally sucks that it will be harder to awox however it must really really suck being a Traitor Though How can You Awoxers live with yourselves?Ugh

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Solecist Project
#727 - 2015-01-18 15:42:57 UTC
Solops Crendraven wrote:
Well Im glad We are having a Heated Debate About awoxing is no more again! Lol I Agree with the OP it pro bally sucks that it will be harder to awox however it must really really suck being a Traitor Though How can You Awoxers live with yourselves?Ugh

I know one of the first generation of awoxxers.

He knows no feelings of regrets, as he said himself,
but at the same time he has gigantic issues with telling lies.


So what he does is simply telling them upfront that he is doing it ...
... and whoever still takes him into the corp can only blame himself.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#728 - 2015-01-18 15:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Tim Timpson wrote:

And you're saying that when you were in corps like Borealis Mining Concern, you never picked up basic knowledge on mining? And yet you want us to believe that all the rest of the rubbish you are coming up with now isn't also made up even though you seem to have about the same level of knowledge?


BOMIC was a mining/mission corp, guess what part I was active in.

Quote:
Edit: Oh, and a fee would go against the reason they are making the change. The change is being made so that it is risk and cost free to recruit new players, so I doubt we'll see a fee.


And the whole less risk for same reward goes against CCP's own risk vs reward policy they always claim to have in high respect.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#729 - 2015-01-18 15:48:04 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Tim Timpson wrote:

J'Poll wrote:
ABCDEFG
I'm not going to get into a giant alphabetised argument with someone like yourself. I get it, you don't like the change and you will say anything to try to make it sound like it's terrible. The fact is CCP know what they are doing, they've told us about this, had discussions with the CSM and with us, and they've made a decision. The change is coming, so you can either put up with it or quit, it really is that simple.

Edit: Oh, and a fee would go against the reason they are making the change. The change is being made so that it is risk and cost free to recruit new players, so I doubt we'll see a fee.


Haha,

And as usual, you do not quote the part where I clearly state I have no issue with the change itself.

You are the person who loves strawmen and goes to the end of the world to manipulate it all to suit you.

P.s. show me where they actually had a poll with the entire community, not just ask a small section about their opinion.

I never saw any question pointed at me what my opinion is about this. So you whole: They had a discussion with us is false. They had a discussion with a small part of the community.



Hmz, last time I checked, CCP also had risk vs reward as one of the highly valued things, and this change will go straight against that thing (it makes it less risky without lowering reward).

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Solecist Project
#730 - 2015-01-18 15:50:15 UTC
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No, he's just not properly reading and processing the replies.



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That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#731 - 2015-01-18 15:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Timpson
J'Poll wrote:
Haha,

And as usual, you do not quote the part where I clearly state I have no issue with the change itself.

You are the person who loves strawmen and goes to the end of the world to manipulate it all to suit you.
I didn't quote any part. And you don have issues with the change, that why you want it to be different. If you had no issues with the change it would be fine as is. Instead you want CCP to take away the reason they are making the change for some punishment you think corps should have to suffer.

And again, it's already happening. The time for crying about it is long gone. Either HTFU and deal with it or stop playing.

Edit: and by the way if you're going to keep doing the whole "I know you are so what am I" thing, at least try to make sense with them. Not quoting your post and responding anyway isn't a strawman, it's simply ignoring the fact that you didn't put a tl;dr. I actually didn't read your post because the first 2 lines of tears bored me. I skim read the highlights in a couple of paragraphs.


J'Poll wrote:
P.s. show me where they actually had a poll with the entire community, not just ask a small section about their opinion.
Lol, show me why they need to. They never have done whole community polls, so why would they do that now?

J'Poll wrote:
I never saw any question pointed at me what my opinion is about this. So you whole: They had a discussion with us is false. They had a discussion with a small part of the community.
That's probably because they don't care about your opinion. Don't get me wrong, they don't care about mine either. Last time they discussed it there were a few threads which they used to get a general feel of the community, and they discussed it with the CSM. You crying "Hey! You didn't take my opinion down yet!" isn't going to change that.

J'Poll wrote:
Hmz, last time I checked, CCP also had risk vs reward as one of the highly valued things, and this change will go straight against that thing (it makes it less risky without lowering reward).
Balance of the risk to reward ratio changes. Don't like it? Quit.
Dave Stark
#732 - 2015-01-18 15:59:02 UTC
Tim Timpson wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tim Timpson wrote:
Awoxers will just have to put a bit of effort in.
amount of effort put in is irrelevant if the feature is no longer there.
Dave, I'm sure you've been here long enough to know what awoxing is. Awoxing does not require corp aggression.


yes it does, otherwise it's suicide ganking.
Solecist Project
#733 - 2015-01-18 16:01:11 UTC
Tim Timpson wrote:
And again, it's already happening. The time for crying about it is long gone. Either HTFU and deal with it or stop playing.

Edit: and by the way if you're going to keep doing the whole "I know you are so what am I" thing, at least try to make sense with them. Not quoting your post and responding anyway isn't a strawman, it's simply ignoring the fact that you didn't put a tl;dr. I actually didn't read your post because the first 2 lines of tears bored me. I skim read the highlights in a couple of paragraphs.



Fun fact: While the time for crying about it is long gone according to him ...
... the time for making everyone know how he thinks about those who "cry about it" ... isn't.

No, it's really important to keep on pointlessly talking and talking and talking
although he should know that there is no point doing so.

Which leads to the one conclusion that all he cares about is being right ...
... and shoving it down the throats of everyone who thinks otherwise.



Yeah, no, this person has no conscious thought whatsoever. The fact that he has started editting in
more to his replies, because he simply failed to properly reply to the posts at the first time,
further shows that he's just a stupid reacting machine and should be rather ignored than responded to.


I suggest ignoring him, J'Poll. You are wasting your time and you are constantly at risk
of becoming a person like this ... well ... non-human, tbh.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#734 - 2015-01-18 16:01:58 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tim Timpson wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
[quote=Tim Timpson]Awoxers will just have to put a bit of effort in.
amount of effort put in is irrelevant if the feature is no longer there.
Dave, I'm sure you've been here long enough to know what awoxing is. Awoxing does not require corp aggression.
Last time I checked, concord doesn;t exist outside of highsec. And awoxing generally refers to joining corps to rob them too, and certainly refers to joining a corp to set them up for your hostile alts.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#735 - 2015-01-18 16:02:25 UTC
Awoxing will still go on.


Killing new players who don't know better will just take a few more steps.


2 different things, the latter keep trying to attach themselves to Awoxing, but we all know better.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#736 - 2015-01-18 16:02:30 UTC
Tim Timpson wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Haha,

And as usual, you do not quote the part where I clearly state I have no issue with the change itself.

You are the person who loves strawmen and goes to the end of the world to manipulate it all to suit you.
I didn't quote any part.


Yet, the post clearly shows you quoted...

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#737 - 2015-01-18 16:03:49 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Tim Timpson wrote:

J'Poll wrote:
P.s. show me where they actually had a poll with the entire community, not just ask a small section about their opinion.
Lol, show me why they need to. They never have done whole community polls, so why would they do that now?.


Uhm, you were the one that claimed they did ask the community in the first place.

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Solecist Project
#738 - 2015-01-18 16:03:56 UTC
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And now we see that he added a huge part to his post a bit above,
because in his haste he never managed to properly process what he read
and thus failed to reply to everything the first time.


He just keeps going on insta-responding,
because he is blindly angry about how everyone else can be so wrong on the internet
and how other people do not share his own viewpoint which is obviously the right one.



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That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#739 - 2015-01-18 16:05:13 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Fun fact: While the time for crying about it is long gone according to him ...
... the time for making everyone know how he thinks about those who "cry about it" ... isn't.

No, it's really important to keep on pointlessly talking and talking and talking
although he should know that there is no point doing so.

Which leads to the one conclusion that all he cares about is being right ...
... and shoving it down the throats of everyone who thinks otherwise.



Yeah, no, this person has no conscious thought whatsoever. The fact that he has started editting in
more to his replies, because he simply failed to properly reply to the posts at the first time,
further shows that he's just a stupid reacting machine and should be rather ignored than responded to.


I suggest ignoring him, J'Poll. You are wasting your time and you are constantly at risk
of becoming a person like this ... well ... non-human, tbh.
Coming from one of the most prolific trolls who should have been permabanned from the forums long ago, your opinion is irrelevant. I simply find it entertaining to argue with people like J'Poll, especially when it's about things that area already happening. Once the change comes in, everyone will pretty much forget that it ever happened, since it's such a tiny change, yet right now it's being treated like it's the end of EVE. Like we're going to log in an there will be unicorns and bunnies all over the game. It's quite hilarious to see people react that way.
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#740 - 2015-01-18 16:06:40 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Tim Timpson wrote:

J'Poll wrote:
P.s. show me where they actually had a poll with the entire community, not just ask a small section about their opinion.
Lol, show me why they need to. They never have done whole community polls, so why would they do that now?.


Uhm, you were the one that claimed they did ask the community in the first place.
No, I claimed the discussion happened long ago, which they did. CCP don;t ask the community, they throw out an idea, watch the community fight about it and they make decisions based on that. If you want to be part of the discussion, join the CSM.