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Spacewarp
Majorum Gnavita In Industria
#1 - 2015-01-18 08:57:01 UTC
Of course there was a new ban for the "bowhead" incident.

That started me wondering about exploits.

Is it an exploit if something you do isnt intended the way it should be by ccp?

If so did ccp intend the mechnism in space to be as bad as it is when we llok at bumping.
Did ccp intend it to be let a small shuttle be able to bump a ship the size of a cathedral or was it just that the programmers cant get their formulas right?

If they intedend it this way the we strike Eve is real :)
If they couldnt get it to work (yet) then bumping is an exploit.....

Your choice :)
Solecist Project
#2 - 2015-01-18 08:58:57 UTC
Blabla...

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Spacewarp
Majorum Gnavita In Industria
#3 - 2015-01-18 09:04:23 UTC
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA finally know why i never attend the forums

was forgetting the politenes and maturity

Dont bother to answer on...will not be here next years

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

And you have so many likes....i am Pi&$%$ myself here
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#4 - 2015-01-18 09:06:28 UTC
If you think it may be an exploit, it probably is.

Apart from that, bans and exploits are not to be discussed on the forums.

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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-01-18 09:07:45 UTC
Spacewarp wrote:
Of course there was a new ban for the "bowhead" incident.

That started me wondering about exploits.

Is it an exploit if something you do isnt intended the way it should be by ccp?

If so did ccp intend the mechnism in space to be as bad as it is when we llok at bumping.
Did ccp intend it to be let a small shuttle be able to bump a ship the size of a cathedral or was it just that the programmers cant get their formulas right?

If they intedend it this way the we strike Eve is real :)
If they couldnt get it to work (yet) then bumping is an exploit.....

Your choice :)

So, say again?

tl;dr: I think bumping is an exploit, right?

I'm pretty sure at some stage already CCP had said something along the lines of it not being an exploit as such.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#6 - 2015-01-18 09:16:43 UTC
Spacewarp wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA finally know why i never attend the forums

was forgetting the politenes and maturity

Dont bother to answer on...will not be here next years

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

And you have so many likes....i am Pi&$%$ myself here

Don't take it personal.

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Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#7 - 2015-01-18 09:29:25 UTC
If you think something's an exploit, you do it once, then check if it's reproducible once, and then report it and ask whether it's an exploit or not and you stay as far away as possible from doing it till you get an answer. (and dont try to sell anything related to it either)
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#8 - 2015-01-18 09:29:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Spacewarp wrote:
Is it an exploit if something you do isnt intended the way it should be by ccp?

CCPs view on how things are intended to work changes over time, so you never can tell. Be prepared, if you get close to the line. It's never a good idea to do things in an excessive manner while you are close to the line. CCP might decide a reaction is required.

Edit: Grr forums not showing changes in an edited post.

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-01-18 09:34:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
Spacewarp wrote:

If so did ccp intend the mechnism in space to be as bad as it is when we llok at bumping.
Did ccp intend it to be let a small shuttle be able to bump a ship the size of a cathedral or was it just that the programmers cant get their formulas right?


Considering that a Gallente Shuttle is 52-82 meters long, and an average Gothic cathedral is 48 meters long... I think it's perfectly reasonable that a shuttle is able to bump ships of cathedral size.

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#10 - 2015-01-18 09:40:56 UTC
Spacewarp wrote:
Of course there was a new ban for the "bowhead" incident.



Is there an official source for that?

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Serene Repose
#11 - 2015-01-18 09:49:41 UTC
Never expect a straight answer about someone's addiction.

(Did I get in before the lock?Yay me!!)

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#12 - 2015-01-18 09:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
The fun part is that they will absolutely refuse to tell you, even if you ask beforehand, but have zero issue perma banning you for not knowing where the line is... despite the fact that they refused to say where, when you asked.

The wisest course is to try your hardest to never get the GM team involved in literally anything, since they just make things up as they go along. Including, but not limited to "you can be perma banned for impersonating yourself". I wish I was kidding.

[edit: I forgot a really good part. If by some happenstance you are perma banned, and you decide to appeal said ban... your appeal will likely be answered by the person who banned you in the first place. Just so you know for sure that there is no oversight in the whole process.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2015-01-18 10:19:58 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Spacewarp wrote:
Of course there was a new ban for the "bowhead" incident.



Is there an official source for that?



Only thing I can think of was that guy who solo ganked a bowhead that had logged off using cats but that wasn't an exploit.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2015-01-18 10:23:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Spacewarp wrote:
Of course there was a new ban for the "bowhead" incident.



Is there an official source for that?



Only thing I can think of was that guy who solo ganked a bowhead that had logged off using cats but that wasn't an exploit.


He got banned last week, actually. That's what the OP is referring to.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-01-18 10:28:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Only thing I can think of was that guy who solo ganked a bowhead that had logged off using cats but that wasn't an exploit.


He got banned last week, actually. That's what the OP is referring to.
Someone is having a giraffe if he got banned over the Bowhead incident...

Also IB4L for discussing "exploits" and bans.

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#16 - 2015-01-18 10:44:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Spacewarp wrote:
Of course there was a new ban for the "bowhead" incident.



Is there an official source for that?



Only thing I can think of was that guy who solo ganked a bowhead that had logged off using cats but that wasn't an exploit.


Clearly an exploit. What do you think the 15min criminal timer is there for.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2015-01-18 10:45:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


He got banned last week, actually. That's what the OP is referring to.


That was kept rather quiet.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2015-01-18 10:49:57 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:


Clearly an exploit. What do you think the 15min criminal timer is there for.


He got blown up by concord so he wasn't avoiding them. What he was doing was ganking the bowhead, concord blows him up,he then docks, undocks in a nubship, gets the concord spawn to warp to station to blow it up, warps to orca, gets in a new gank ship and ganks the target.

Its effectively just pulling concord around, a tactic used by both miners for protection and gankers to remove concord spawns in places they want to gank. CCP said pulling concord around isn't an exploit.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-01-18 10:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Spacewarp wrote:
Of course there was a new ban for the "bowhead" incident.



Is there an official source for that?



Only thing I can think of was that guy who solo ganked a bowhead that had logged off using cats but that wasn't an exploit.


Clearly an exploit. What do you think the 15min criminal timer is there for.
IMHO it'd only have been an exploit if he'd managed to warp any of the ships he used or somehow escaped Concord retribution, neither of which happened. However, I'm only a customer so my opinion is worth diddlysquat as far as CCP are concerned.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#20 - 2015-01-18 10:51:31 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


He got banned last week, actually. That's what the OP is referring to.


That was kept rather quiet.


Do they ever announce these? Or do we find out about them through third party social media?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
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