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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#281 - 2015-01-16 19:03:00 UTC
Aredontis wrote:


According to the records (yes 'wiki not definitive blah blah') Trammel was successful enough for 5 expansions to follow it and lead to 250K subs, sooo wanna try again?


I don't need to try again, because AFTER it hit those 250k subs it fell off the face of the earth (back below 100k subs in 4 years).

Thanks for unwittingly proving the point i was trying to make, you're a good wingman.
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#282 - 2015-01-16 19:03:21 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Sorry. But how come that there are numerous of new player friendly corps already out there atm that assist new players into the way of EVE.
There are a few. Most corps listed in the "newbie friendly" part of the ads are either there to attract unknowing people to collect tax from or otherwise extort, or the vast majority which are run by people with no clue what they are doing. If they knew what they were doing they'd know what awoxing is and know that opening your corp up to everyone is asking for trouble.

J'Poll wrote:
New players have nothing to do with this.

If CCP wanted more new players to get into a player corp, they would have updated their NPE to get it happening.

This is just the next move to keep the highsec whiners happy.
I tend to believe CCP over yourself. They do have the statistics on why players are leaving. You struggled earlier with just working out how mining yield was calculated, so no offence but you telling us it's about "the whiners" is pretty laughable.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#283 - 2015-01-16 19:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Aredontis wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
They can fix that by removing the NPC corporation mechanic.


So in your mind, removing a mechanic that you don't use, but allows "tears to be gathered" (awoxing) is bad, but removing a mechanic, that you don't use, that allows people to avoid shedding tears (NPC corps) is okay??

pot <> kettle?


Even better...just remove high-sec and low-sec.

Empire becomes NPC null.

It means you must work together to survive... after all, all you numbnuts say that that's what CCP want, players working together.

Everybody has high paying (*cough* according to highsec rwtards) activity and awoxing and ganking doesnt exist anymore.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#284 - 2015-01-16 19:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Tim Timpson wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Sorry. But how come that there are numerous of new player friendly corps already out there atm that assist new players into the way of EVE.
There are a few. Most corps listed in the "newbie friendly" part of the ads are either there to attract unknowing people to collect tax from or otherwise extort, or the vast majority which are run by people with no clue what they are doing. If they knew what they were doing they'd know what awoxing is and know that opening your corp up to everyone is asking for trouble.

J'Poll wrote:
New players have nothing to do with this.

If CCP wanted more new players to get into a player corp, they would have updated their NPE to get it happening.

This is just the next move to keep the highsec whiners happy.
I tend to believe CCP over yourself. They do have the statistics on why players are leaving. You struggled earlier with just working out how mining yield was calculated, so no offence but you telling us it's about "the whiners" is pretty laughable.


You do know the in game corp search ads suck.

But if you did some research you would find over 40 corps (yes, I do have a list and try to keep it up to date) who are good and very new player friendly.

But apparantly you didnt kbow that cause that would mean learning something new and spent time doing something other then carebearing.


Too bad not every account is actually asked why they leave. So there is no statistica about that (proof it...)

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#285 - 2015-01-16 19:08:05 UTC
Btw, this thread should be official renamed the "Helen Lovejoy defence".
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#286 - 2015-01-16 19:08:48 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
This 'awox button' will mean more people will join play corps. Some of those corps will be good experiences, most of them will be bad experiences which could quite possibly accelerate a 'new players' decision to quit.
They already join and have bad experiences, because almost everyone currently recruiting noobs with zero history is terrible at EVE. What this change does is mean that you can safely recruit noobs when you have actual corporation security policies in place.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Some of those corps will be on the up and up, others will simply be 'new player grist mills' for established players to make isk off of instead of having to rat/mission/explore themselves (because the new players won't know any better). Hello "Renting" in high sec, because this change ends up creating the same meta-condition in high sec that lead to vast swaths of null becoming good for nothing but renting.
You say this as if those corps don't already exist for this reason. If I'm just farming noobs for tax, I don't give a crap whether or not they kill each other.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Those corps will have lower taxes than the npc corps (npc corp taxes are ISK SINKS), meaning more isk in circulation in the game after this change happens. Congratulations, the isk in your wallet is now worth less than it was before because less isk being sunk means devaluation of currently existing isk.
This is bordering on insanity it's so far into fantasy.
Solecist Project
#287 - 2015-01-16 19:08:49 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
You do know the in game corp search ads suck.

But if you did some research you would find over 40 corps (yes, I do have a list and try to keep it up to date) who are good and very new player friendly.

But apparantly you didnt kbow that cause that would mean learning something new and spent time doing something other then carebearing.
Would you mind sharing the names in private,
so I can check out if they are actually worth the time new players spend there?

There are way too many "new player friendly corps" that should be removed from the game,
because they hurt more than they do any good.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#288 - 2015-01-16 19:10:28 UTC
The lesson to be taken away here is that we should just do away with pvp in high-sec altogether, since that's what the majority wants, and the majority must be catered to. Leave the rest of the mechanics intact, and give the modern gamer what they're asking for.

Whether or not CCP fails or becomes the most profitable company in the world because of this is irrelevant to the discussion. There's obviously no room in the world for the product that EVE has been so far, because its very concept is to not cater to what the majority of its users are asking for, which lies in direct conflict with the socially, economically, and politically accepted argument that the function of a business is to make as much money as possible.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Aredontis
Doomheim
#289 - 2015-01-16 19:12:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aredontis wrote:


According to the records (yes 'wiki not definitive blah blah') Trammel was successful enough for 5 expansions to follow it and lead to 250K subs, sooo wanna try again?


I don't need to try again, because AFTER it hit those 250k subs it fell off the face of the earth (back below 100k subs in 4 years).

Thanks for unwittingly proving the point i was trying to make, you're a good wingman.


Which would lead one to believe that the later drop in subs was due to a later expansion, or lack of further content, since the drop happened years later. but you go ahead and read it your way.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#290 - 2015-01-16 19:15:22 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Solecist Project wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
You do know the in game corp search ads suck.

But if you did some research you would find over 40 corps (yes, I do have a list and try to keep it up to date) who are good and very new player friendly.

But apparantly you didnt kbow that cause that would mean learning something new and spent time doing something other then carebearing.
Would you mind sharing the names in private,
so I can check out if they are actually worth the time new players spend there?

There are way too many "new player friendly corps" that should be removed from the game,
because they hurt more than they do any good.


No. Go do your own ******* research and spent some time doing something useful with your time in EVE. Stop being the useless leech, I already owe you an underwear pic and a date.

And I do agree, the majority of the so called "New Player Friendly" corps arent and it would indeed for the better if they didnt recruit as such.

However sometimes it is better to make a mistake and learn from it. It makes you learn stuff but also make you appreciate what you do have (including that corp that is great for you).

Hell a bunch of veterans didnt contribute to a great guide on how to find a good corp and how to weed out the ****** ones.

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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#291 - 2015-01-16 19:15:44 UTC
Form your own corp...get some isk through tax, and then turn the pvp flag on and pew pew them till they leave.

Now you can be one of those useless noob corps that teach new players nothing that you all complain about.

Oh ya, they do learn one thing.

Don't join a player corp unless you want to be abused for being new.
Solecist Project
#292 - 2015-01-16 19:16:00 UTC
We interrupt this program for a special information broadcast.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Btw, this thread should be official renamed the "Helen Lovejoy defence".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Also, prototype boobee wiggling.
My first animated gif, ever.
http://i.imgur.com/uULIl2T.gifv


Now proceed with your scheduled program.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#293 - 2015-01-16 19:17:35 UTC
Aredontis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aredontis wrote:


According to the records (yes 'wiki not definitive blah blah') Trammel was successful enough for 5 expansions to follow it and lead to 250K subs, sooo wanna try again?


I don't need to try again, because AFTER it hit those 250k subs it fell off the face of the earth (back below 100k subs in 4 years).

Thanks for unwittingly proving the point i was trying to make, you're a good wingman.


Which would lead one to believe that the later drop in subs was due to a later expansion, or lack of further content, since the drop happened years later. but you go ahead and read it your way.

I may be perceived as naive for asking this, but what is Trammel and what does it have to do with EVE?

Mr Epeen Cool
Aredontis
Doomheim
#294 - 2015-01-16 19:18:25 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The lesson to be taken away here is that we should just do away with pvp in high-sec altogether, since that's what the majority wants, and the majority must be catered to. Leave the rest of the mechanics intact, and give the modern gamer what they're asking for.

Whether or not CCP fails or becomes the most profitable company in the world because of this is irrelevant to the discussion. There's obviously no room in the world for the product that EVE has been so far, because its very concept is to not cater to what the majority of its users are asking for, which lies in direct conflict with the socially, economically, and politically accepted argument that the function of a business is to make as much money as possible.



While I realize you are being facetious, I would actually agree. Do away with non-consensual PVP in hi-sec, or create a new set of systems (like the new wormhole area) that don't allow non-consensual PVP. Watch what happens.... I dare you.

My guess? That area would fill up fast, and people who like to fly spaceships and see the amazing backgrounds and textures of this game would spend a year or two playing in that area before they unsubbed or moved to "more dangerous" space. Maybe 10% of them would last, but at WoW subscription rates, that 10% would be more than Eve has ever seen.
Aredontis
Doomheim
#295 - 2015-01-16 19:19:30 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I may be perceived as naive for asking this, but what is Trammel and what does it have to do with EVE?

Mr Epeen Cool


Ultima Online
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#296 - 2015-01-16 19:19:35 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Plenty of corps already recruit people as new as 5 minutes.

It is **** corps that dont.
I'm sorry, but you are evidently terrible at EVE, so I'm not going to take your word for it that good corps break the most basic rule of highsec corp recruitment. It does nobody any favours if you recruit brand new newbies because you have absolutely no method of tell who is an awoxer.

J'Poll wrote:
You do know the in game corp search ads suck.

But if you did some research you would find over 40 corps (yes, I do have a list and try to keep it up to date) who are good and very new player friendly.
40 corps across the whole game? And that's a list you've made? What was the criteria for being a "good" corp in your eyes? I fully believe that *you* believe these corps are good, but that doesn't make them not terrible.

J'Poll wrote:
But apparantly you didnt kbow that cause that would mean learning something new and spent time doing something other then carebearing.
Lol, yes, I'm the one that didn't know that you think there are corps that aren't terrible who openly recruit awoxers. And thanks for making the assumption that I'm a carebear, really proves you have no clue what you are talking about.

J'Poll wrote:
Too bad not every account is actually asked why they leave. So there is no statistica about that (proof it...)
Of course not all are, but they do exit polls. If you go back and read the CSM minutes where they first talked about removing corp aggression I'm pretty sure CCP talk about it there.
Aredontis
Doomheim
#297 - 2015-01-16 19:21:53 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Even better...just remove high-sec and low-sec.

Empire becomes NPC null.

It means you must work together to survive... after all, all you numbnuts say that that's what CCP want, players working together.

Everybody has high paying (*cough* according to highsec rwtards) activity and awoxing and ganking doesnt exist anymore.


Soo, I see your argument has been so thoroughly debunked that you are down to name calling and straw men?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#298 - 2015-01-16 19:24:01 UTC
Aredontis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aredontis wrote:


According to the records (yes 'wiki not definitive blah blah') Trammel was successful enough for 5 expansions to follow it and lead to 250K subs, sooo wanna try again?


I don't need to try again, because AFTER it hit those 250k subs it fell off the face of the earth (back below 100k subs in 4 years).

Thanks for unwittingly proving the point i was trying to make, you're a good wingman.


Which would lead one to believe that the later drop in subs was due to a later expansion, or lack of further content, since the drop happened years later. but you go ahead and read it your way.


Translation: I never played Ultima Online.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#299 - 2015-01-16 19:26:02 UTC
Aredontis wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The lesson to be taken away here is that we should just do away with pvp in high-sec altogether, since that's what the majority wants, and the majority must be catered to. Leave the rest of the mechanics intact, and give the modern gamer what they're asking for.

Whether or not CCP fails or becomes the most profitable company in the world because of this is irrelevant to the discussion. There's obviously no room in the world for the product that EVE has been so far, because its very concept is to not cater to what the majority of its users are asking for, which lies in direct conflict with the socially, economically, and politically accepted argument that the function of a business is to make as much money as possible.



While I realize you are being facetious, I would actually agree. Do away with non-consensual PVP in hi-sec, or create a new set of systems (like the new wormhole area) that don't allow non-consensual PVP. Watch what happens.... I dare you.

My guess? That area would fill up fast, and people who like to fly spaceships and see the amazing backgrounds and textures of this game would spend a year or two playing in that area before they unsubbed or moved to "more dangerous" space. Maybe 10% of them would last, but at WoW subscription rates, that 10% would be more than Eve has ever seen.

This doesn't happen in other games with a similar model to what you describe.

I am talking specifically about games with segregated pvp areas, but where pvp is actually meaningful, in the sense that losses aren't trivial.

I've played a bunch of such games (mostly on Steam), and I can tell you that very few leave the safe areas at any point whatsoever.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Solecist Project
#300 - 2015-01-16 19:27:53 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
No. Go do your own ******* research and spent some time doing something useful with your time in EVE. Stop being the useless leech, I already owe you an underwear pic and a date.

I never insulted you.
Was that necessary?


You are such an angry person... Wasting countless hours of your time on the internet
trying to beat onto others. All day, every day. And you know it. Your forum bans know it.

If at least you tried spreading happyness, but no ... all you do, all day,
is showing others how miserable and bitter you are.



Thanks ... not interested anymore ... bet that makes you happy now,
as you got rid of the "useless leech". Who needs friends anyway.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia