EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hi, i've just downloaded this EvEMon thing, i know my target for the game is to have a Stealth Bomber (Amaar Purifer) and a Covert ops ship (Anathema)...

Stealth bomber for PvP
Covert ops to scout out Complexes for my Bomber

And i notice i can set up a queue to help me out with what skills etc on EvEmon, So what i ask is, can anybody help me out with a decent fitting for both ships? ... High/Med/Low slots and rigging/ammo etc?

Would be greatly appriciated, that way i can input the items on evemon and i have a idea what to work towards?

Thank you!

The first thing to know is that neither of them are solo ships. If you're flying a stealth bomber, you're either insanely good/confident in your skills, flying in a gang (where you should listen to the FC about fitting), or ratting in 0.0.

I can't help a ton with the first two situations, but I can atleast toss out a fit for ratting in a SB in 0.0 (which is quite fun and profitable).

[Purifier, 0.0 ratting]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Salvager I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

It's not a perfect fit, and it requires pretty good skills to fit fully (you might need to trade the nano for a CPU/grid mod), but it should work fine. Oh, and you'll always want to use EM torps with the Purifier, the bonus 60-75% damage (you shouldn't be in it before you have the skill to 4 anyways) damage is a big deal.

Hey thanks for the reply!
I'll be flying in Nullsec, so a bomb bay is a must right? .. any suggestion (name) of a good bomb bay? ... Also are Mjolnir torpedo's T2 or T1? and the same with Arbalest seige missle launcher are they T2? ... what about the navy seige launchers? they any good?

What type of CPU upgrade you suggest? (name) and the 2 missle rigs, any suggestions? and stupid question, i'm still learning the EvE lingo, what is a MWD

I'll be looking at using the bomber in nullsec for pvp and part of fleets, my scout ship is puirely for scouting out complexes for my bomber to await

Ok, good clarification. Well a bomber with a bomb bay is a different beast. Often, you'll want to be with a group of other bombers when you do bombing runs. So when I lived in nulsec I kept 2 ships, one for my solo work using T2 torp bays (which are not the same as arbalists), and one with a bomb bay and T1 torps. Bomb bays use alot of CPU, something that bombers usually dont have enough of... and T2 launchers use lots of CPU. While possible to fit both a bomb launcher and T2 torps on a ship... often the amount of fitting games you need to do to make that work give you a very ineffective bomber.

But, bomb bay is not a 'must.' Just for PVP fleet operations they may expect you to have one. For solo they cost 1 million isk a shot and against a small group of targets its just not worth it by any stretch of the imagination.

Also. T2 torps can only be loaded into a T2 launcher. They cannot be loaded into a faction launcher. I guess a faction launcher can be useful in SOME fits for solo pvp (which can happen... just... don't start thinking you'll do it), or the like. I think they are too expensive to fit on a ship that's about a sturdy as wet sheet of toilet paper.

which skill to 4 sorry?
thanks for your outline, helps :)

and pvp?

If you're *this* confused about fitting, then perhaps you're jumping the gun a little bit in looking to be getting into a SB. I know I'm more than confused enough about "good" fittings (in general) to stay the **** away from these ships...

The fit you linked doesn't look terrible, and seems pretty close to Mzxf's fit (with a few caveats), so it's probably OK overall...

I like EVE HQ tbh, more than Eve mon and eft... Eve hq gives me what I need for skill assessments and fittings all in one program.

I never flew a purifier, I am a minmatar nuts and bolts kinda of player...

One thing not mentioned as it's pretty much a given among people flying T2 ships - is that they aren't cheap ... at least not by the standards of new people.

What this means if you're relatively new - is that they are out of your reach financially - until you take measures to get them into your reach ... which can take some time.


So ... in your plans for how you're going to fly a Stealth Bomber - you need to be including plans on - not how to buy one - but how to buy lots of them and continually replace them as you lose them. Buying one T2 ship isn't that big a deal. Using them and losing them - is. Thus, along with your plans on how you're going to skill up to fit and fly them - you want to be figuring out how you're going to be able to afford to replace them. It's not going to do you a lot of good to skill up to fly a T2 ship if you lose the first one and then can't afford to buy any more ...

Because of that - you might want to spend your skill training working on how you're going to pay for these things first, rather than skilling up to fly them and only then skilling up to support them. Get your money making skills in order first - then - while you're skilling up to fly them, you can be making the money you'll need to afford them.

It's OK to begin planning for things, just make sure you've got your priorities straight. People who don't know what MWD stands for ... are pretty much a long ... long way from flying T2 ships - that they can afford to lose.

Remember - the #1 rule of EVE is - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. That translates ... in practical terms to ... If you can't afford to buy two of them - you can't afford to fly one of them.


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bombs are rather specialized. In many circumstances it's acceptable to simply leave the bomb launcher offline unless you plan to use it regularly. Bombs are primarily used with groups of bombers to begin the fight or just alpha stuff. For general combat it's all about the torps (which is not to say that bombs aren't amazing).

Everything that follows is PVP exclusive. Most, but not all, of the same advice follows for other uses like FW missions.

[Purifier, PVP]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter

Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

I use T2 launchers for the damage bonus from the specialization skill. Also lets you use rage torps (if shooting caps or POSes or something) and javelin torps (If ~50km just isn't enough range to avoid being sniped).

Anything less than 2x BCUs (or 1x BCU + DPS rigs) is fail on a bomber given that the entire purpose of the ship is to do loads of torp damage. Target painters help you do full damage on smaller targets (The ship bonus already takes care of the velocity factor) and are rather light on CPU if you use named.

MWD is obvious; at that range you aren't speed tanking ****, and you need to get to and stay at that range.

Never never never never never use anything other than mjolnir torps. The ship bonus at level 5 increases damage from EM torps by 75%.




Do not tank your bomber. Bombers are damage boats and they're paper-thin anyway, a tank will rarely save you. Do not engage at ranges <30-40km. For the love of god do not ever fit a point on your bomber because as discussed above bombers are paper-thin and will explode horribly when shot at.

Bombers are way, way better at dealing with targets that have their MWD on. Bombers can actually do appreciable (though not great) damage against frigates that are MWDing, but will barely tickle the shields against one without a MWD on. In general, don't bother with anything smaller than a cruiser.


Of course that's a lot of restrictions, but the fit I posted above does 620 DPS. That's battlecruiser-level damage. On a frigate. From 60km. With a covert ops cloak. Thus, the general PVP roles of bombers are...

-Scouts. With the covops cloak and MWD they're almost as good at scouting as covops frigates, except they don't sacrifice all combat ability.
-DPS support for smaller ship gangs. In a battleship gang, a single bomber isn't actually going to help more than another battleship would. In a frigate gang, however, where the highest-DPS non-bomber isn't even likely to top 300 DPS, bombers bring enough damage to take down larger ships.
-Bombing runs. Groups of bombers can do absolutely douchey things, like using void bombs to drain the cap of an RRBS fleet, or take out groups of ships on a gate. Hell, there are instances where bombing runs alone have killed entire fleets. Basically, bombs function as anti-blob.