Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nope.

It's not griefing to gank someone in highsec, and ganking does not need to have such ludicrous penalties placed on it.

No. Highsec does not need to be any more safe than it already is.

The OP was smartbombed in high-sec... losing a shuttle and pod.


OP... most gankers are already have a -10.0 security status... that means they are already permanently "suspects" and anyone can shoot at them anytime, anywhere.
Your idea will change nothing for them.

Also...

- your attacker lost his ship right after he killed you (because of CONCORD).

- your attacker was not interested in profit or "efficiency." He/she did it purely for "giggles."
The only way to stop this kind of behavior is to turn off all non-consensual PvP in high-sec... and CCP would never do this.

- "greifing" as defined by CCP means that your attacker needs to single you out, over a long period of time, despite your best efforts to avoid him/her, and have no good reason for attacking you (being paid off is a good reason).
Basically... you were not griefed. You were merely unlucky.



Two things:

1. It doesn't matter if genuine newbies are given 3 or even 6 months of "immunity"... the problem isn't the fact that they are ganked at all. No... the problem is that they have bad expectations going in (which can be blamed on the tutorials) and they are not expecting the reality of the game to smack them in the face.
"Immunity" of any kind only serves to delay the inevitable.

2. Malcanis' Law. In less than a month I can have a new character fly an Iteron Vs with no tank, max cargo, and carrying tons of phat lewt from trade hub to trade hub with impunity! A month and a half in, I'll be flying freighters.
After the 3 month limit is up... delete character... start a new one.
If this is tied to accounts... 3x plex for each new account... that's ~2.4 billion ISK... doing nothing but market trading and hauling, I can EASILY make back that money and then some.

You guess are misplace simple this annoying when you die in shuttle in hi-sec and resapwn 60J in deep 0.0.

Not all smartbomb griefes have -10 and my ideas are well balance.
Still gankers can do what they do like always this change do not reduce ganking even in 1%, I myself ganking in past this is long wait for good target.

Simple if you can read with understanding, for exmaple if griefer simply killing newbie or other paler in suicide smart bombs attack after killing 5 ships he can been freely engage by everyone 3 months.
For some PVP players griefers will be be a new source of killmails,
simply crime and punishment :)

Of course this is only solution for this griefing tactics.

But I'm asking for you to point out the 'grief tactics'. It's all well and good claiming something. But when you do, the onus is upon you to prove it.

Killing ships in high sec is not griefing. There are rules that apply to new player systems, but I don't see any evidence of that in your posts.

Plus as has already been pointed out. Players shooting and smartbombing pilots in high sec, tend to be -10. This means you can shoot them anywhere, any time.

But it still begs the question, what are to trying to solve here?

1. I think 3 months gives the new bro ample time to realize he came into the game with bad expectations and leave accordingly. I think it's a bit silly to require a new player to have the correct expectations when signing on to eve for the first time. This isn't WOW or scrabble.... it pretty vast and complex.

2. The law thinger where you're in a freighter before 3 months is up, fly it for a few days and recycle. On one hand, I was just putting up a counter proposal to a bad idea. I wasn't proffering an intricate plan that I've spent countless hours working on. On the other, I would say who cares. It's currently bannable to cycle alts for ganking, so cycling alts for freighters could be done the same way. OR a simple flag that if you're flying a capital ship, then the immunity is void. OR 3 months from starting the account NOT from starting the character. (pretty good huh??!!?!)

Any concept is open to abuse in the details. Historically CCP doesn't just take Serendipity Lost ideas (no matter how awesome they are) and immediately implement them. I'm assuming some level of discussion here on these forums to tweak this (any) idea in AND some further discussion and enhancement by the CCP code wizards before it would make it into the game.

SO

The concept: 3 month immunity for new bros from being ganked (from account activation NOT character creation)

The details: To be hammered out by the bitter vet bros and the CCP wizard bros

AGAIN: If you log into eve with the sole purpose to blow up 3 month old players (not characters.... players) then give me your stuff and go play something else.

if you nail five pods in highsec, you're going to be below -5 sec status anyway, so you're already going to be freely engagable by everyone.

And you have never explained how ganking is griefing...

Ok maybe I exaggerated although in my opinion use of smart bombs to cheap collection KMs, without any real danger, I do not count the loss of the ship because it is too cheap. Is griefing.



In my opinion my idea is more dynamic.



As I said earlier, add some real danger when do this tactics.

Danger is relative. To me, Dangerous is using my dreads on PL towers. Dangerous to me is being in high sec at all.


You'll have to define 'danger.'