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Option to disable corp friendly fire.

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Mario Putzo
#21 - 2015-01-15 23:44:50 UTC
Good **** awoxing, coward gameplay. If you want to brawl hit me up in corp chat and we will undock and brawl.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#22 - 2015-01-16 00:23:15 UTC
went and watched the 07 and saw that they were going to make it an option.


so effectively corps can now be 100% safe from awoxers but the person joining the corp is still just as much at risk.

that seems right right?
Livonian
Kaesong Kosmonauts
#23 - 2015-01-16 01:23:27 UTC
Let me preface this by saying I think the entire idea undermines the core values of EVE.

CCP always goes on and on about meaningful gameplay and choices. Well where is the meaningful gameplay or decisions in effectively allowing highsec corps to be 100% safe simply by checking a box.

Why wouldn't every corp in highsec check it?

What is the counter play to it?

As others have also mentioned it removes all the gameplay elements involved in vetting and trusting a new corp member in highsec, while deleting an enjoyablestyle of play
Mario Putzo
#24 - 2015-01-16 01:30:05 UTC
Livonian wrote:
Let me preface this by saying I think the entire idea undermines the core values of EVE.

CCP always goes on and on about meaningful gameplay and choices. Well where is the meaningful gameplay or decisions in effectively allowing highsec corps to be 100% safe simply by checking a box.

Why wouldn't every corp in highsec check it?

What is the counter play to it?

As others have also mentioned it removes all the gameplay elements involved in vetting and trusting a new corp member in highsec, while deleting an enjoyablestyle of play



Then make your own Awoxing corp. Invite fellow Awoxers and you guys can sneak up on each other and kill each others ****, or don't who gives a ****. If people want to play in peace, let them. If you want to shoot them, declare a war an hope they undock. Awoxing is ******* ****, everyone knows it, and this change doesn't limit that playstyle at all. Unless your only path to Awoxing is taking advantage of rookie corp leaders.

Step your game up son.
Livonian
Kaesong Kosmonauts
#25 - 2015-01-16 01:35:21 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Livonian wrote:
Let me preface this by saying I think the entire idea undermines the core values of EVE.

CCP always goes on and on about meaningful gameplay and choices. Well where is the meaningful gameplay or decisions in effectively allowing highsec corps to be 100% safe simply by checking a box.

Why wouldn't every corp in highsec check it?

What is the counter play to it?

As others have also mentioned it removes all the gameplay elements involved in vetting and trusting a new corp member in highsec, while deleting an enjoyablestyle of play



Then make your own Awoxing corp. Invite fellow Awoxers and you guys can sneak up on each other and kill each others ****, or don't who gives a ****. If people want to play in peace, let them. If you want to shoot them, declare a war an hope they undock. Awoxing is ******* ****, everyone knows it, and this change doesn't limit that playstyle at all. Unless your only path to Awoxing is taking advantage of rookie corp leaders.

Step your game up son.


go back to wow if you want consensual pvp
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#26 - 2015-01-16 02:13:05 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Good **** awoxing, coward gameplay. If you want to brawl hit me up in corp chat and we will undock and brawl.

I know you ex wow players have a thing for consensual pvp but eve was centered on it not being that way. Highsec will get even more dull with this change.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-01-16 02:34:31 UTC
There's no condition under which I could accept this.

One of the unique attributes of eve is that it provides no safety mechanisms for interpersonal interaction. Guilds in WoW don't background check their members, because the worst a member can do is spam chat and maybe not heal at an important moment.

In eve, the worst a member can do is destroy your corps entire ISK making backbone (I once saw Psychotic Monk do a quality awox where he got a freighter and half a dozen mackinaws in a belt), and so we background check new members.

Well, we did. No need to worry about that Awoxing Pizzaspy McShootsblues guy. He seems a bit sus, but we've got FF turned off so whatever, he can't do anything.

Yes, this game concept has some downsides, but it's core to the concept of eve. Trust no one, watch your back and if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Scrapping it would be a mistake.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#28 - 2015-01-16 02:35:14 UTC
Sladislov wrote:
Yes lets remove another profession from eve, lets the remove one of the fundamental mechanics. A huge but understandable blow was dealt with the expel option, but this just outright kills the Highsec Awoxer. No longer do people have to care about who they invite into their corp, no longer do they have to check api keys. Just invite everyone without a care in the world.

This section spurred some thoughts.

Heading into a bit of contradictory thoughts here. High sec AWOXing is little more than a license to kill without incurring a Concord response and as such I see no real benefits to the game in having it. Even so I agree that it is a mechanic that has it's place since it is obvious that there are pllyers that enjoy it.. Are further nerfs needed to AWOXing as a whole? Not as far as I am concerned, as a player and the CEO of a small corp there are more than enough tools available to handle an AWOXer and yet I wonder.

Perhaps all of this rumor floating about is part of the longer range plan of encouraging those of the PvP persuasion to move from high sec into low or null by leaving them with nothing they can shoot at. I know many say it would be bad for the game and I disagree. If it was done carefully and as part of a plan to revamp all areas of space the game would not only survive having a 100% safe area of space it would actually allow EVE an even greater growth potential.

Mario Putzo
#29 - 2015-01-16 02:53:42 UTC
Livonian wrote:

go back to wow if you want consensual pvp


LoL whats ur K:D ratio brah?

At least I don't have to join up with corps to gank unexpecting people and call it Peeveepee.

1337Sauce mate.
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#30 - 2015-01-16 03:01:32 UTC
Oh. No. Spies might have to take risks to get kills now. How. Dreadful. The game will never recover from this unreasonable burden.

I'm in shock. Eve is going to die. Boo. Hoo. Hoo.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#31 - 2015-01-16 03:07:56 UTC
Soon i will be starting a corp with an empty alt. Recruitment will be open to anyone, and everyone. I will also be spamming noob systems and markets with my corp ads claiming to be the god of eve who can save you from wardecs, gankers and give you free stuff.

all aps will be accepted. 10% tax.

You dont need to be active.
You dont need to be sociable (in fact pls dont).
You dont need to work together with us.
I dont care what you do and in fact prefer if it has nothing to do with me.
I wont teach you about the game.
I wont help you if you're in trouble.
If we get decced, ill go on 'holiday' or be 'busy at work' but you should still mission so you can make money. Thats the crux of your life right?
The free stuff i promised you will be paid from corp tax, but we need to build up my corp wallet a bit first.

I know 99% of corps will be like this, but you should really join my one because my empty alt is the god of eve. Why would you know any better? you're a noob and like i give a **** what the NPE is like when i get free isk from the influx of gullable WoW players.

'lawl'

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Livonian
Kaesong Kosmonauts
#32 - 2015-01-16 03:35:37 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Livonian wrote:

go back to wow if you want consensual pvp


LoL whats ur K:D ratio brah?

At least I don't have to join up with corps to gank unexpecting people and call it Peeveepee.

1337Sauce mate.


nice dude
Lugh Crow-Slave
#33 - 2015-01-16 04:06:39 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Livonian wrote:
Let me preface this by saying I think the entire idea undermines the core values of EVE.

CCP always goes on and on about meaningful gameplay and choices. Well where is the meaningful gameplay or decisions in effectively allowing highsec corps to be 100% safe simply by checking a box.

Why wouldn't every corp in highsec check it?

What is the counter play to it?

As others have also mentioned it removes all the gameplay elements involved in vetting and trusting a new corp member in highsec, while deleting an enjoyablestyle of play



Then make your own Awoxing corp. Invite fellow Awoxers and you guys can sneak up on each other and kill each others ****, or don't who gives a ****. If people want to play in peace, let them. If you want to shoot them, declare a war an hope they undock. Awoxing is ******* ****, everyone knows it, and this change doesn't limit that playstyle at all. Unless your only path to Awoxing is taking advantage of rookie corp leaders.

Step your game up son.



They will and what they will do is invite new players into the game get them missing in a navy BS then blow it

this doesn't remove awoxing all it does is put all of the risk on the person joining rather than the corp
Jordanna Bauer
Taylor Swift Fanclub
#34 - 2015-01-16 04:28:51 UTC
Official Eve Online: Warlords of New Eden changelist:

- Togglable PvP.
Caleb Seremshur
Naked Oiled Bodybuilders
Parasitic Legion.
#35 - 2015-01-16 05:07:59 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Didn't Awox just get on grid with anomaly-running corpmates, light a cyno, and suddenly reds? Meaning that the whole scheme relied on people out of corp, and this change wouldn't affect it at all?

If anything, it would make that tactic more effective, because the no-corp-aggression flag would give the impression of increased safety.


AWOX started out in amarr militia dunking people in caldari militia because he appears as a purple and used that to his advantage, also only standings loss with caldari (which didn't matter because he was amarr). Where he went after that who knows but it was just another example of poorly thought out game mechanics.

'high sec awoxing' was years overdue for an overhaul, it was basically an exploit.
Omnathious Deninard
Ministry of Silly Walks.
Parasitic Legion.
#36 - 2015-01-16 05:13:06 UTC
I was unaware that this check box to allow AWOXing also removed the risk of being suicide ganked.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-01-16 05:20:22 UTC
Ines Tegator wrote:
Oh. No. Spies might have to take risks to get kills now.


No, spies will, depending on implementation, simply be blocked from getting kills OR be exactly like suicide gankers.

There is no risk.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-01-16 05:24:45 UTC
Jordanna Bauer wrote:
Official Eve Online: Warlords of New Eden changelist:

- Togglable PvP.


That sums up the problem so fantastically I've added it to my sig

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#39 - 2015-01-16 05:32:13 UTC
can you tell me what good will come from taking AWOXing out? What does this do other than enable NPC alts to have corp tax and assets then obscure corps that are interested in actual group play?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Caleb Seremshur
Naked Oiled Bodybuilders
Parasitic Legion.
#40 - 2015-01-16 05:44:05 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
can you tell me what good will come from taking AWOXing out? What does this do other than enable NPC alts to have corp tax and assets then obscure corps that are interested in actual group play?


Can you please look at your own signature before writing things on this topic?