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Katarr Ne'asirr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-01-13 17:46:21 UTC
i fly pilgrims since couple of months but since this patch my resis went higher and i have one additional slot.I put in a drone damage module but im wondering about tracking module...i have 2 damage modules already so.... idk , what do you guys recommend? is the tracking omni one or tracking link worth it?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2015-01-13 17:46:55 UTC
What are you shooting at?
Katarr Ne'asirr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-01-13 17:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarr Ne'asirr
combat sites,DED , im not pvp
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-01-13 18:13:08 UTC
the omni tracking enhancer is pretty nice especially if you're using medium/heavies.

Not sure on the math but a full enhancer sounds like it would do more than a 3rd dda.

Art of Explosions
Katarr Ne'asirr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-01-13 18:25:46 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
the omni tracking enhancer is pretty nice especially if you're using medium/heavies.

Not sure on the math but a full enhancer sounds like it would do more than a 3rd dda.


im using medium drones and....really?! more damage then damage modules?! how the hell?!:o
Orlacc
#6 - 2015-01-13 18:49:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
May I recommend Eve Fitting Tool sometimes referred to as EFT:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359

This will simulate different fits and show most stats. And for drones, it is more accurate than ingame mouseovers.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Katarr Ne'asirr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-01-13 19:15:46 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
May I recommend Eve Fitting Tool sometimes referred to as EFT:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359

This will simulate different fits and show most stats. And for drones, it is more accurate than ingame mouseovers.


i have it
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-01-13 20:14:55 UTC
raw dps you see in eft or ingame fitting window does not account for your target's speed and other factors.

SInce drones are counted as turret based, they fall under the rules of regular gun mechanics such as optimals and tracking speed.

Sure if you're hitting a big fat battleship your drones will almost always be doing full damage, however as soon as the targets get smaller, the tracking game picks up and sometimes your drones can completely miss targets!

With the tracking enhancer you can improve your ACTUAL damage a lot more on smaller targets than a 3rd dda would.

Art of Explosions
Katarr Ne'asirr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-01-13 21:54:51 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
raw dps you see in eft or ingame fitting window does not account for your target's speed and other factors.

SInce drones are counted as turret based, they fall under the rules of regular gun mechanics such as optimals and tracking speed.

Sure if you're hitting a big fat battleship your drones will almost always be doing full damage, however as soon as the targets get smaller, the tracking game picks up and sometimes your drones can completely miss targets!

With the tracking enhancer you can improve your ACTUAL damage a lot more on smaller targets than a 3rd dda would.



that is what i dont need then. medium drones have ok tracking , what i want is killing battleships faster.
KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#10 - 2015-01-13 22:10:51 UTC
Katarr Ne'asirr wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
raw dps you see in eft or ingame fitting window does not account for your target's speed and other factors.

SInce drones are counted as turret based, they fall under the rules of regular gun mechanics such as optimals and tracking speed.

Sure if you're hitting a big fat battleship your drones will almost always be doing full damage, however as soon as the targets get smaller, the tracking game picks up and sometimes your drones can completely miss targets!

With the tracking enhancer you can improve your ACTUAL damage a lot more on smaller targets than a 3rd dda would.



that is what i dont need then. medium drones have ok tracking , what i want is killing battleships faster.


Then dda

The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2015-01-13 23:21:59 UTC
What you really need is to ditch the Pilgrim and load out a Stratios. It will warp cloaked -- which I'm assuming is why you want the Pilgrim -- and dish out twice the damage easily. Surely training Gallente cruiser to 4 (or, yes, 5) isn't that much of a burden, right?
Katarr Ne'asirr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-01-14 12:55:55 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
What you really need is to ditch the Pilgrim and load out a Stratios. It will warp cloaked -- which I'm assuming is why you want the Pilgrim -- and dish out twice the damage easily. Surely training Gallente cruiser to 4 (or, yes, 5) isn't that much of a burden, right?


i choosed pilgrim couse of cloack and couse of his base resis.since im doing angels thats the kind of resis i need to survive 5/10. in my opinion stratios dosent have a chance vs 5/10 while pilgrim does.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-01-14 13:37:41 UTC
Strat is easily capable of a 5/10, base resists plus superior drone damage and much better fitting.

Art of Explosions
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#14 - 2015-01-14 15:36:26 UTC
Katarr Ne'asirr wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
What you really need is to ditch the Pilgrim and load out a Stratios. It will warp cloaked -- which I'm assuming is why you want the Pilgrim -- and dish out twice the damage easily. Surely training Gallente cruiser to 4 (or, yes, 5) isn't that much of a burden, right?


i choosed pilgrim couse of cloack and couse of his base resis.since im doing angels thats the kind of resis i need to survive 5/10. in my opinion stratios dosent have a chance vs 5/10 while pilgrim does.


What kind of tank numbers would make you comfortable? The Angel 5/10 is relatively easy as they go. I've made it through both BR and Serpentis 5s in one and wouldn't hesitate to take in a properly fit Stratios.
Katarr Ne'asirr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-01-15 00:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarr Ne'asirr
got a example of that fit maybe?
i guess resis enough to take the damage and keep shooting down ships.
you say you did 5/10 in strat? thats really hard for me to belive since i got plenty of tank and my shields do go down very low sometimes. idk...maybe im a bad pilot then =)
either way , why i wont get strat? couse why should i since i could get a ishtar who does more dps and has more tank then him and also requires gallete cruiser 5.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-01-15 00:25:14 UTC
When flying your pilgrim, do you have an afterburner and do u keep moving?

Art of Explosions
Katarr Ne'asirr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-01-15 00:25:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarr Ne'asirr
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
When flying your pilgrim, do you have an afterburner and do u keep moving?


nope ,i dont have afterburner and i do keep moving
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-01-15 00:29:24 UTC
afterburner helps a lot with incoming damage, especially in a smaller ship like a cruiser.

That combined with stratios natural resists makes it a very tough ship

Art of Explosions
Katarr Ne'asirr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-01-15 00:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarr Ne'asirr
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
afterburner helps a lot with incoming damage, especially in a smaller ship like a cruiser.

That combined with stratios natural resists makes it a very tough ship

il try that , on my pilgrim first
but question remains , why strat since i can get ishtar?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#20 - 2015-01-15 01:04:11 UTC
Ishtar can't warp cloaked.

But yeah, it's better for damage.