Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Now it's obvious you're just grasping at straws. Under no logical circumstances would anyone think of sending mediums or heavies that far out, at all... ever. Also, since EFT can't emulate drone behaviour it'll just assume max damage so the whole drone graph is nonsense to begin with.

Someone could though and that is the point.
I think that this was posted as a less than serious comparison that was only made because someone mentioned drones only passingly. However... Lights from a Myrm seem quite capable of out-performing HML's, even in this one case, and I was not expecting that. It is interesting to see, even if it doesn't have anything to do with HML balance directly.

Numbers is numbers man, sorry they don't agree with your "but Missiles are fine position", but thats the way things go.
Also these drones ALL move faster than 2K m/s, and all have perfect tracking in their optimals. So vOv.

Because in that case Amarr missile ships for pve in amarr space would not be able to both tank EM (T2 resists are explosive/kin) as deal EM.

The more you try the itrollu.jpg the more obvious it becomes for everyone about how you're not to be taken serious in anything at all. So please, keep at it. And with that, I'll leave this thread alone because the only thing that happens here is circle jerking using flawed logic and (not so) hidden agendas. Good luck with that.

Amarr missile ships? You mean the sac and contentiously the drone/neuting boats? Anyone PvEing in the frigates is doing it wrong (or the t2 coercer whatever its called).

That's not a large sacrifice for what would probably be an overall improvement in most other situations, nevermind using thermal/em drones to disregard reactive hardeners.

I don't know why the racials are the best weapons to use against their own race, you'd think the concession would be in the totally opposite direction. Game design v0v.

I briefly wondered if it was a Rise alt. While he makes a few good points most of what he says leaves me doing this ---> =.=

Like there's something not being communicated here. Something being missed. Something about why HML bleed 44% of their dps while most other weapons systems bleed only 30% and his argument about the drake and tengu having too many HP or whatever might be valid but that's something that should have been addressed during the drake rebalance. Should have.

HML are also the only missile system that really *needs* rigors and flares to work well, but if we hold that to be the same as sniper-fitting a sniper then I guess you'd have to address that comparison more directly. The same argument that Mario has been looking at.

I find it contentious at best to say that just because missiles will track a close-orbit frigate means they need to be ****. Attacking a missile ship no matter what means getting hit inside of 10km (unless rockets because lol). The real demon is an orbiting slicer at 22km burning 6km/s and your lights can't even hit him because they track so badly. Now move up to heavies and see the results. Those times the missiles launch perpendicular to your hull (despite being launched from external launchers with 360 degrees of motion) and they waste a lot of flight time course correcting. Those times they track away from the target before course correcting back in to chase the target (and barely scrape in a hit).

Also I too find the 'max transversal situation' to be intellectually dishonest, unless you're in a MWDer and get hard tackled by an AB fit you'll be hard pressed to have this problem. Shield rail thorax is a thing.

The people in favour of a change are putting in a *lot* more effort than the people claiming parity and that disturbs me a little, as if saying that the pendulum of time-wasting balance swings is still how CCP works.

eh they both can get out to 45K, so its not a biggy, neither is the damage difference to be terribly honest. I do like the Rapier though.
But missiles still suck for both Rook and Rapier despite the changes. Eh. Guess ill just keep flying Ishtars and Railgus since thats what CCP wants me to do.

Make all missiles and torpedoes realistic If you have a f-15 cruisng at 800 mph and it launches a missle at another jet traveling 800 mph the other jet doesn't outrun the missile like in eve, it dies in a big ball of fire. You need to rework velocity period its like shooting a missile from 0mph and having a jet out run it yes it can easily....... 2 light missile boats IE: crows should not be able to out run eachothers missiles its dumb ...... if crow (A) is doing 4500m/s and crow (B) launches missiles at crow (A) also doing 4500m/s, missiles velocity should be a launch speed of 4500m/s on top of normal flight speed and should have no problem hitting them out running missiles in little ships is a unrealistic joke

The only reason why EVE missiles can be outrun is because they wanted to make flight time relevant. Out running a mordus ship missiles is a whole different challenge because most of it's range come from speed. If all missiles were like that, the stupidity of outrunning missiles would stop.