Crime & Punishment

OP...

You are being a spoiled brat.

It does not take 4-5 years to do anything in this game. If you cannot do what you want in the first month and then build on it from there you are doing it wrong.

I will be keeping my eye on you...

I think op has already got pretty much all the advice he can get. He also got attention and certainly not all of that is good for him. Again choices you make have impact, most of all upon yourself. In eve not only skills matter, but individual attributes, more so than in any other game, namely patience, will to go forward and learn. If you know that something bad will happen to you if you do what you intend to do, and knowingly throw yourself to fire only to burn yourself, dont blame the game or anyone but yourself. There are ways around your problems and people have repeatedly suggested them to you. Hell, you can even do missions during wardec. You need to be more careful, yes, you need change your ship fit perhaps, but not even marmites can lock you down if you are determined enough.

Are you?

As someone who once faced the boring, existential mission grind and asked myself if there was anything more, this is what I have to tell you:

1. Forget your notions about what in EvE is fun. I'm not saying that they're wrong. In fact, if they're right, you'll end up re-learning them.
2. Get in a ship and look around. It doesn't have to be big or expensive. I often have my most fun in frigates or T1 cruisers. The more you know an area, the more opportunities you'll find.
3. GO DO STUFF. Try mining, try industry, try faction warfare, try losec PVP, try bashing a POS, try wardeccing folks, try suicide ganking, try trying to stop suicide ganking, etc. There is no limit to what you can do.
4. Once you've tried all the things, decide what you had the most fun doing and do it. The benefit here is that now you have a much wider pool of experience to choose from.

There's a link in my forum sig. Go read that thread. It's got lots of examples of me doing just this and having a blast along the way. It's kind of my ad hoc blueprint on how to have fun in EvE without grinding missions or feeling in any way obligated or beholden to a particular activity.

There's lots of content out there right under your nose, waiting.

Go grab it!

This.

And where were all your swell corpmates?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight....

So I've read through most of this thread. Seems to me you raise valid points about not knowing **** about how this game works and were told what to do and how to do it....

You then spent all your time saying how you cant do any of that and how everyone that tried to help you out is wrong.. even though you know theyre right..

You sound like a teenaged brat bitching about having to do stuff in order to get somewhere.

You: But daaaaady.... I WANT TO DRIVE THE CAR
Life: Yes one day, but now you have to get your drivers license first
You: But.. I don't want to get my license I want to drive a car now.. it's not fair..
Life: Sure it is, you just ne..
You: I HATE YOU

HTFU son.. this aint gonna get better..

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Shocking as it might be to you, but sometimes people don't tell the truth.


People don't tell the truth you say? Interesting how you're claiming that the isk does not matter when in the OP you stated that you were locked out of the game for weeks because you had no money

You're making a terrible analogy. It's like telling miners "you'll be prevented from mining unless you spend 6 hours solo PvP in nulsec for every 1 hour you mine - oh and btw we'll also throw in another feature to stop you from doing your solo PvP, and by extension stop you from doing the thing you enjoy." That would be more appropriate.

I'm not interested in PvE - it's terrible. Absolutely turgid. But the game requires standings, and isk, to do the other things (such as Nullsec PvP etc) that I am interested in. Then it throws in an extra feature which means that the grinding it's expecting me to do isn't something I'm able to do.

In my situation (which I'm not suggesting is standard btw) it ended up with me being faced with a straight choice of a) go to hi-sec, get wardecced, rinse and repeat or b) be unable to play the game. And although some people have made a proper effort to answer my questions (thanks for those who have) others have responded with adolescent defensiveness and nerd-machismo. Which is good for a laugh, but hardly practical.

Now part of this is down to the corp I was in, part of it is down to bad luck, part of is the Wardeccing mechanic being used as a means to prevent people from doing the grind, which leads to the sort of impasse that I was in. That's a more complex question.

No problem with Marmite, don't hate the player, hate the game, right? Ganking and griefing are the heart and soul of eve.

Sorry if this contradicts some people's deeply held convictions about what EvE is, but I can only tell you what happened to me. I'm not making this stuff up to annoy or troll you - it's just me reporting back my exprience.

I resent being compelled to do a grind (and yes compelled is the right word, I wasn't doing it out of fun or pleasure y'know!) then simutaneously prevented from doing that by another mechanic. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

It does involve a lot more monotonous grinding than I expected though, especially in regards to standings (another feature that ought to be looked at imo)

If the game has to have these terrible boring repetitive missions then at least make them worthwhile. Having to spend weeks at a time running ****** level II and III missions for tiny boosts in standing is something that makes situations like the one I found myself in inevitable. Putting wardeccing on top of it makes it even more ridiculous.

Most of this game is boring, and if the part of the game that's not boring requires you to play the grinding tedium to access it. There are several features of the game that produce weird incentives and make it difficult to actually do anything in certain situations (such as the one I was in)

Eve is not a game for new players at all, and it's very difficult to say otherwise when the overwhelming reaction to new players in difficulty trying to rational talk to others about the problems they face is "harden the **** up" and "Quit, Eve doesn't want you" etc. You can't have it both ways - you can't tell yourself Eve is open to everyone, great community etc, then respond to even the most level-headed criticism with nerd-anger and juvenile posturing.

OP this is where that little bit of googling would come in handy......

Yup. Not even his fault though, for reasons I'm unable to get into here.

Good learning experience with the nullsec fleets and so on, the alliance (Initiative) was great actually no complaints there, I made sure I gave my FC's and others who helped me a good chunk of ISK after I sold my gear, but it's foolish to try getting involved in that sort of nullsec action until you've got your jumpclones set up, a big supply of ISK handy, the ability to fly Ishtars, t2 sentry drones etc. you're more-or-less locked out of that sort of activity for a long period of time.

Like it or not (and obvioulsly 4-5 is hyperbole on my part) it does take a terrible amount of very boring grind to hit this stage.

It's so depressing to put effort into a game and for it to fall apart like this. Losing ships and isk I can live with (as an example one of my first corp mates fell asleep at the keyboard and let his 3bill carrier drift out of POS and he didn't even stress over it, just carried on as if nothing had happened, I think that's the healthiest attitude on this game for sure) but this lingering feeling you've been cheated, that sometimes the game leads you down a path where you can't win regardless of what you do, that it's been designed in such a way as to get you to buy PLEX to make up for these sorts of stupid losses etc, and that anyone who attempts to talk about this is dismissed in the manner I've been dismissed by most (not all) people on here.

It's all well and good having a go at me for flying a blingy ship doing level 4's (I agree with those who've made those criticism) but then not examining the series of events that led to me doing something that I was fully aware was stupid at the time.