Ships & Modules

Hey everyone I will can do lvl4 soon and as ne new player i wish have advice on the fit i did ( that my first one so be gentle)

I plan tos stay in amarr space for the lvl4 as i want do my toon with amarr ship only ( i find that fun).

So i did this fit compare to my actual skills (who are still a low but focus)

[Apocalypse Navy Issue, pve]
Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Domination Armor EM Hardener
Domination Armor Thermic Hardener
Tracking Enhancer II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

100MN Afterburner II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Ancillary Current Router II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

'Integrated' Acolyte x5


So i will change the cristal for the range i need and the drone are here for kill frigate.

Thank for your advises.

Thanks at the start i did think about the mjd but because i'm limit to T1 gun the dps for a 100+km range go under 300dps so i though it is maybe too low no ?

That's a 1 billion ISK ship there. Where do you run missions again?????

Ditch the Tachs, fit Mega lasers, that should allow you to drop the Ancillary current router rig. Stop trying to be cap-stable, fit a cap booster and drop the cap rigs

This one is T2 with a single deadspace (drop that to T2 if you can't afford it), switch one or two of the Heat Sinks to Imperial if you have the spare ISK. It comes in half the price of yours. Downgrade anything you can't fit to meta 3/4
You could also replace one of the heat sinks with another hardener if you prefer more tank.

[Apocalypse Navy Issue, Amarr Lvl 4 copy 1]
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Large Micro Jump Drive

Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Xray L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Xray L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Xray L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Xray L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Xray L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Xray L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Xray L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Xray L

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Energy Locus Coordinator I

[drones to suit]

The XRay is to get an optimal of > 80km. Change to suit, laser crystals switch instantly, so carry multiple types.

Okay, I am only new so take all this with a pinch of salt, but here is what i think;

1, first and foremost that is expensive ship to be flying if you are as new as you say you are, and it will be the target of being "ganked" (where 1-10 pirate players will Warp in on you, Warp Scramble you, and destroy you expensive ship, only fly something like this in a fleet, go cheaper and train for T2 equipment outfit it with that.

2, as @erg cz stated, maybe the Armageddon would be a better choice, for solo at least.

3, I like how you only fly Amarr, I will only ever fly Caldari, but you need to learn you limits and what are your ships strengths and weaknesses fast, as they will normally stay the same with slight changes throughout that races ships.

4, Cap stable doesn't matter as much, all my Raven builds are Cap stable without the Shield Booster, and they only last about 2m max, try and do this to you ships, and only use the Repper when you have too, I've heard a lot of people say when you hit about 30% but i think that might be just for shields.

5, what everyone hear has said so far is right, if you are going Beam then you need to play as sniper fit, and stay at your maximum range (your missions will go forever though) and you need to max out on Dmg modules to make each volley count.

if you need any help with a build drop me an EVEmail and i will reply, i am online almost every waking hour (it is the one site at work that isn't blocked) and if you want to fly with a fleet let me know, my friend and me run a mission and role-playing Corporation, and we do level 4's for Ishukone, great fun and we could use a sniper, haha!

Good luck either way, and fly safe!

OH NOES! a whole billion isk. Quick batphone PL!

My main criticisms are
1. domination armor hardeners suck, don't fit them (well on a mission BS at least). I would go with tech 2, or true sansha/dark blood as they are reasonably cheap and give 55% resists.
2. too many cap mods for the level of cap performance given by the ship.
3. 8 tachs are a cap hose.

my main suggestion is buy a nightmare, ships without damage bonuses suck. In the meantime I'd check out that MJD mega beam fit posted by Elena Thiesant. should be a good tool to learn the missions, I just changed the slots up a ltitle, as I'd rather pimp the gank than the tank. plus at MJD rages you don't really need much tank. A MJD makes things much safer as you can jump out if you mess things up and get scrammed. plus with the cap booster you should be able to get a cycle off even vs enemies that neut. personally I would try to avoid using the MJD too much and letting it be a crutch, as for most missions you will want to drop it and fit an ab/mwd/tracking comp instead.

also consider a mega pulse fit. for some missions you might be lacking a bit of range with pulse, but they have good damage and application for the close range missions.

[Apocalypse Navy Issue, Amarr Lvl 4 copy 1]
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Large Micro Jump Drive

Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Large Energy Locus Coordinator II
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Amarr ships are fine for PVE as long as you stick to Amarr space where the rats are weak to EM damage. The Armageddon even provides an option for missions against rats that are highly resistant to EM damage.

Unfortunately, with the exception of the Armageddon, Amarr battleships are quite vulnerable to tracking disruption, which happens to be the EWAR used by the two main types of EM weak rats, Sansha and Blood Raiders. As an Amarr pilot you won't really have an answer to this until you get to the Paladin. (Expect for the Armageddon of course.)

Rouge drones are generally weak to EM and don't use any EWAR, but they have terrible bounties and unless you live in certain parts of nullsec there is nowhere to reliably farm them for ISK.

Drone and missile boats such as the CNR, RS, and Dominix are naturally mostly immune to NPC EWAR and this makes them naturally more efficient at PVE in many situations. Also, missiles and sentry drones can reach silly ranges and this works very well with a micro jump drive which allows you to range tank. The Armageddon is similarly EWAR resistant but its bonuses lean it more towards PVP (where it can be quite a beast) than PVE.

The Mach is a different sort of beast, based around speed, falloff, and a tank made from a mix of skill, deadspace shield boosters, and brass balls. It is still susceptible to EWAR like tracking disruption but that doesn't stop it from being a top tier mission boat in the hands of the right pilot.

This does not mean however that you cannot mission in an Amarr BS. It may not be as optimal as some of the other ships out there but it will still get the job done. And the Paladin, like all marauders, is a top tier mission boat by virtue of its total EWAR immunity and amazing projection and application.

Don't be afraid to use a cap booster in PVE, in fact, get used to it. The charges are dirt cheap anyway. Lasers don't really start to shine until you get T2 guns and scorch. But once you get there, oh do they shine.

Also, Amarr is fine for PVP at all hull sizes.

I quit my job because I didn't like paying for gas.

cap boosters are so cheap, most of my other ships fire a volley and I spend more isk than 1 cap booster 800.

not at all, amarr is fine. just decline angels extravaganza, which is imo a mission worth doing in any ship. the other main problem is sansha's blockade as it has the most TDs. with a MJD I think you can jump out side TD range and kill them. I've never really ran it often though.

I ran mostly amarr ships in primarily caldari space for a very long time. Sentry drones are something good to train at some point, but I don't know that I would rush into them. although at least they have faction sentries that are pretty good and don't require sentry drones 5.

my path would be apoc -> nightmare -> Paladin. Nightmare and paladin can both effectively run tachs, plus they have damage bonuses, so you can usually kill TD ships before they get in range.

Ok so after read a lot all the advice and really want keep playing amaar ships only i come with this fit :

This time is an Armageddon navy, keep the beam for long range fight until my tank skills are better, it's help with drone and sentry ( warden add a little 200dps so that nice) I lose only 100dps compare to the missile and drone Armageddon but get more tank and end with 720dps (all sills at 5):

[Armageddon Navy Issue, pve]
Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer
True Sansha Armor EM Hardener
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Shadow Serpentis Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400

Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet L
Mega Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet L
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Ancillary Current Router II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Caldari Navy Warden x5
Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
'Integrated' Infiltrator x5

just i'm not sure if the adaptive Nano Membrane is need, i was thinking put an tracking enhancer instead.

So it is better ? just remind i will do lvl4 in amarr space only.

Thank to everyone

But that not a drone boat that's the navy Armageddon so the drone is just a secondary weapons nothing more

And the 2 tracking computer are here for keep the range on 100+ without go under 700dps, for change the damage and the resist I already read about that but thank you. Just on this ship (bonus on laser) the drone are here like a support not the first dos.