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Time for a new kind of ship.
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Brunhild Aex
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-01-11 23:38:49 UTC
I'm going to start this thread by saying the following. A few years ago i suggested T3 destroyers and MINI CARRIERS capable of high sec flight, on one of my science alts that i have sold. The fact that T3 destroyers are in game and the fact that the GECKO drone started to be popular [ CCP testing a type of drone before a ship for it is created maybe, the drone looks caldari-ish btw ] leads me to believe that they've listened. Took you long enough guys!.

Anyway i don't consider myself above other players or anything. I consider myself an equal to each and everyone of you, the community.

Thus being said, i proposed to CCP and to the community a new type of ship.

T4 CRUISER

Probably made with salvaged stuff that flew in NEW EDEN from the JOVIAN Empire because of that awesome SuperNova.

Anyway i'm thinking this type of cruiser should be a damage dishing close combat anti-blob brawler.

Obviously each race would get it's specific cruiser, with their specific weapons and their specific bonuses but here's what i'm thinking they should all have in common.

6 H / 6 M / 6 L - 3 R

4 Turret Hard Points / 4 Launcher Hard Points

Role Bonuses:

250% AfterBurner SPEED
200% Damage Bonus [ Like having 8 guns ]
5% Resists / Level To Shield Or Armor

The 4th bonus would be something related to the secondary weapon of each race. Neut / Drones.

Caldari Bonuses:

5% Turret Optimal / Caldari Cruiser Level
5% Resits / Heavy Attack Cruiser Level To Shield Resists [ that's right it's going to have double resists set ]
5% Turret Damage / Caldari Strategic Cruiser Level

Basically to fly such a cruiser you need to inherit previous skills.

Amarr Bonuses:

5% Laser Damage
5% Armor Resists [ double resists ]
5% Laser Optimal

Etc. You get the idea. Assume bonuses based on race.

Why does EVE need such a strong 1 vs many cruiser?

Because of BLOBS.

Let's talk about it! :)
Mario Putzo
#2 - 2015-01-11 23:40:25 UTC
lets not.
Foxicity
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-01-11 23:45:34 UTC
Can't wait for the look of despair on that blobber's face when I'm using this ship against him and he totally can't turn around and bring 100 of them to **** me. Wait. Nevermind.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#4 - 2015-01-11 23:47:20 UTC
That's quite a lot of guns, quite a lot of speed and quite a lot of resists for a cruiser.

Also .. your anti-blob ship will simply be used as blobs and then what will you do?
Brunhild Aex
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-01-11 23:50:00 UTC
Foxicity wrote:
Can't wait for the look of despair on that blobber's face when I'm using this ship against him and he totally can't turn around and bring 100 of them to **** me. Wait. Nevermind.


Blobbers are insecure they may have skill trained but the amount of mistakes they make is incredible, like turning on the ab without orbiting, just sitting there. In chat he then asks how i tracked him, i then tell him he wasn't moving .... etc. Thus being said they're probably going to be bad anyway. They blob because they have a higher chance of wining without loosing.
Brunhild Aex
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-01-11 23:51:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Brunhild Aex
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
That's quite a lot of guns, quite a lot of speed and quite a lot of resists for a cruiser.

Also .. your anti-blob ship will simply be used as blobs and then what will you do?


It doesen't go without it's weaknesses. A double web and some neuts can kill it. It's about having a stronger weapon to use in epic fights.

I'm a cruiser FAN :) and i currently consider the Orthurs to be one of the most dangerous ships right now.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#7 - 2015-01-12 00:03:36 UTC
Brunhild Aex wrote:
Foxicity wrote:
Can't wait for the look of despair on that blobber's face when I'm using this ship against him and he totally can't turn around and bring 100 of them to **** me. Wait. Nevermind.


Blobbers are insecure they may have skill trained but the amount of mistakes they make is incredible, like turning on the ab without orbiting, just sitting there. In chat he then asks how i tracked him, i then tell him he wasn't moving .... etc. Thus being said they're probably going to be bad anyway. They blob because they have a higher chance of wining without loosing.

You're going to track all 100 blobbers?

They're all going to activate their props, but all are going to forget to orbit?

You're going to tank 100 blobbers bonused guns... you're going to tank 800 guns?

Yeah. Right.
Ben Ishikela
#8 - 2015-01-12 00:20:24 UTC
-1
does not contribute to teamplay like other ideas that require less time. promotes solo head-through-the-wall gameplay.

Ideas are like Seeds. I'd chop fullgrown trees to start a fire.
Alruan Shadowborn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-01-12 02:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alruan Shadowborn
A 200% Bonus on 4 guns is actually the equivalent of 12 guns, and as everyone said, as per Malcanis' law (or a derivative thereof), any change that assists n players, assists n+1 players better
Violent Grey
Illicit Expo
#10 - 2015-01-12 02:46:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Violent Grey
Interesting idea but wouldnt the ships need more bonus that five percent resists, no tank bonus, youd need what to stand in decent defensive posture with a hundred blobbers??!! Might as well make it capable of surviving a classic rooks and kings pipebomb... Lol.
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-01-12 03:51:13 UTC
Actually I'm all for it!

Given these conditions: it is a one off ship, whoever gets init is there for good no ejecting. No docking, no logging off, no remote assist, valued at 1 isk for kill boards, and when the only one in existence is dead it biomasses the OP's accounts. I'm sure many people would go for a one off like that.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#12 - 2015-01-12 04:02:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Brunhild Aex wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
That's quite a lot of guns, quite a lot of speed and quite a lot of resists for a cruiser.

Also .. your anti-blob ship will simply be used as blobs and then what will you do?


It doesen't go without it's weaknesses. A double web and some neuts can kill it. It's about having a stronger weapon to use in epic fights.

I'm a cruiser FAN :) and i currently consider the Orthurs to be one of the most dangerous ships right now.


How many webs and neuts will you need to kill 10? 25? 100?

Those are the numbers of them you'll be fighting against, not one or two.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#13 - 2015-01-12 04:16:22 UTC
That ship should never be implemented.

also, character a few days old made a thread a few years ago about the T3 destroyers that can swap their bonuses in space...

well my 1 yr old nephew invented the wheel.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Brunhild Aex
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-01-12 08:14:00 UTC
It was interesting to hear your thoughts. :)
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#15 - 2015-01-12 08:33:34 UTC
Since the T3 cruisers rebalance looms on the horizon it would (at least to me) seem to be premature to attempt to introduce an even more OP ship line that would cause yet more ship types to be effectively obsoleted than T3 cruisers have already managed.

Not supported.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Brunhild Aex
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-01-12 08:43:28 UTC
Samillian wrote:
Since the T3 cruisers rebalance looms on the horizon it would (at least to me) seem to be premature to attempt to introduce an even more OP ship line that would cause yet more ship types to be effectively obsoleted than T3 cruisers have already managed.

Not supported.


You put it very nicely so i respect your opinion.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-01-12 09:19:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
T4 cruiser... Like a candy but taste is strange... Hard to explain...

One of the many or let's say another one - stand alone a super duper Ship! I don't even mind if CCP name it like that - " A Super Duper Cruiser", why not?

a real headache for blobbers all kind, fear me here i am... here are my bonuses, i'm the fury, here my drones [gecko's] and rainbow lazorz... you all die, becasue of me

Show must go on, let's say YES to this increadable but stupid ship!

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Iain Cariaba
#18 - 2015-01-12 11:11:11 UTC
I laughed so hard when I read this. Then I realized OP was serious and laughed even harder.

I'm sorry, OP, but if you really believe that this idea of your's will be an anti-blob ship, then you really do not understand this game.

Put half a dozen webs on your creation and it slowly goes nowhere, even with that uber AB bonus.
The equivalent of 12 guns is all well and good, except you can still only apply them to a maximum of 4 targets. 4 ships does not make much of a dent in a fleet of 100.
After you've applied your 4 guns to 4 targets... hell, maybe you got super lucky and those 4 ships didn't orbit and you popped them, the combined DPS of the other 96 ships is going to melt your face off, as any ship this uber will be the obvious primary for everyone.
After getting your face melted off, when you reship into another one of these and head out, you're likely going to find that the next blob you run across is a blob of the same anti-blob ship.

This is how EvE does things.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-01-12 11:38:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Dominix, Rattle Snake, Ishtar...

EDIT: The Algos is even something like a Super Mini Carrier...

EDIT2: Maybe we should get something like a Dominix that launches Algoses that launch drones...

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-01-12 12:58:27 UTC
Honestly if this was a way to go out, leroy a ship into a blob and permadeath on destruction it would be far more interesting than the current ways of ditching characters. Give it a year long skilltrain or let people convert all their existing SP (over say like 30m) to use it and say goodbye gloriously.

As a proper ship though? Come on, obvious troll is obvious.

Travelling at the speed of love.
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