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De-Minmatarization: First Tower Constructed and Operational

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Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#221 - 2015-01-09 12:32:17 UTC
It picks out idiots and allows them to excell.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Wendrika Hydreiga
#222 - 2015-01-09 14:36:27 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Is cleansing an entire race down to the genetic level 'what needs to be done'? Explain to me, in essay form, what are the benefits of genocide.


Mister Nauplius is a mean monster. And being mean and a monster is part of his nature! Like how a Fedo is stinky or why the Federation must be destroyed! Nature, yes!

Truth be told, people were just mad because I was deliberately helping Mister Nauplius!

I consider him a friend, because even monsters need friends! And since he was so nice to ask me for help, I had no real reason not to! Sure, I didn't expect him to spread rainbows and sunshine across New Eden with my research, but by now my research has reached much more capable hands (like the Poteque doctors that assisted me) that will promptly pick off where I left and do the proper thing by testing it on animals first! And maybe someday, years from now, we will have cheap and accessible "genetic makeover" kits, but for now I'm just happy to be in the vanguard of this medical technique! Not to mention those Pyre guys managed to stop Mister Nauplius so promptly. He can be so silly at times.

Capsuleers want this procedure to become reality. Poor Miss Kim is trapped in an Achura body when she actually wants to be a Deteis! And I did what I could to make that dream a reality! Because in fact I had no reason to share my research, since I already used it on myself, but I did it anyways because I'm friendly and love to help people!
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#223 - 2015-01-09 15:19:32 UTC
I can actually think of more than one capsuleer whose life would be measurably improved by being able to change their race - as weird as that sounds and feels to those of us who are more secure in our cultural and genetic legacy.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#224 - 2015-01-09 16:01:34 UTC
A Cybernetic Brain in a Flesh body, or a Complete Cyberised Body, would Allow such Things, Instead of this "De-Minmatarisation" Process.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#225 - 2015-01-09 16:05:04 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I can actually think of more than one capsuleer whose life would be measurably improved by being able to change their race - as weird as that sounds and feels to those of us who are more secure in our cultural and genetic legacy.



I've no doubt such capsuleers exist. The concern, at least for me, is the method and means used to explore this line of research and the intention behind this particular individual's pursuit of the research (the eradication of an entire bloodline out of pure prejudice).

No doubt this is a tiresome argument by now but I've no problem with scientific research and experimentation as long as they are pursued ethically.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#226 - 2015-01-09 20:54:38 UTC
Those are entirely rational concerns, I think.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#227 - 2015-01-10 09:21:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Nauplius wrote:
A true journalist would attempt to get both sides of the story. Aurora Arcology made no attempt to interview me regarding the De-Minmatarization Tower and its destruction.


As you can notice in this discussion, there's 3 sides to this specific Tower destruction. I choose to interview 2 of the 3 sides to be able to better understand their motivations & actions.

It is true I did not interview you, nor attempted to do so in previous attempts.This is because I believe that offering you an interview to shed a light on your side of the story wouldn't reveal anything that people already know through your public announcements, namely: You are batshit insane.

Also: You do offer a good explanation of your reasonings already through your public messages, I fail to see what revelations can be added on top to further 'enlighten' your point.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#228 - 2015-01-10 11:06:14 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Is cleansing an entire race down to the genetic level 'what needs to be done'? Explain to me, in essay form, what are the benefits of genocide.


Mister Nauplius is a mean monster. And being mean and a monster is part of his nature! Like how a Fedo is stinky or why the Federation must be destroyed! Nature, yes!

Truth be told, people were just mad because I was deliberately helping Mister Nauplius!

I consider him a friend, because even monsters need friends! And since he was so nice to ask me for help, I had no real reason not to! Sure, I didn't expect him to spread rainbows and sunshine across New Eden with my research, but by now my research has reached much more capable hands (like the Poteque doctors that assisted me) that will promptly pick off where I left and do the proper thing by testing it on animals first! And maybe someday, years from now, we will have cheap and accessible "genetic makeover" kits, but for now I'm just happy to be in the vanguard of this medical technique! Not to mention those Pyre guys managed to stop Mister Nauplius so promptly. He can be so silly at times.

Capsuleers want this procedure to become reality. Poor Miss Kim is trapped in an Achura body when she actually wants to be a Deteis! And I did what I could to make that dream a reality! Because in fact I had no reason to share my research, since I already used it on myself, but I did it anyways because I'm friendly and love to help people!


That did not answer the question. Quoting a stereotypical Advanced Physics Professor, that's a 'F-'!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Wendrika Hydreiga
#229 - 2015-01-10 14:18:38 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
That did not answer the question. Quoting a stereotypical Advanced Physics Professor, that's a 'F-'!


Oh no! I don't want to take this semester again!

But I don't I have enough brains in jars to calculate the reasons why Mister Nauplius is mean...
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#230 - 2015-01-10 20:00:46 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
That did not answer the question. Quoting a stereotypical Advanced Physics Professor, that's a 'F-'!


Oh no! I don't want to take this semester again!

But I don't I have enough brains in jars to calculate the reasons why Mister Nauplius is mean...

His mother didn't hug him enough. As for those grades, report to my office after class for your extra credit assignment.... Gallente culture studys. Twisted

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Zenariae
#231 - 2015-01-10 23:03:42 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I can actually think of more than one capsuleer whose life would be measurably improved by being able to change their race - as weird as that sounds and feels to those of us who are more secure in our cultural and genetic legacy.


Mr Pieter,

Sir, I don’t mean to be rude or anything I’m simply extemporising from your statement, but changing your race is silly as are the experiments concerned in this thread. Surely we’re all the same at the primordial level? We emerged from the same pool of goo in Maker’s ancient soup, no? Cultural legacy is important, I agree, it’s what colours our temperament as people but that could be transcended, philosophically speaking, by adapting our attitudes towards those origins stemming from a common genome rather than fiddling with impractical genetic manipulations designed to alter racial characteristics. Imagine that a universe full of goo!
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#232 - 2015-01-11 03:06:34 UTC
I am, personally, very happy in my current racial identity. All I'm saying is that I know two capsuleers who are not.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#233 - 2015-01-11 04:25:55 UTC
I have to consent with pilot Zenariae. Changing ones race over the issue of identity is treating a symptom rather then a problem - That is, societies passing judgements or imparting concrete expectations based on it. In the end, approaching the issue in this way will only validate those unconstructive cultural notions further.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#234 - 2015-01-11 09:19:17 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
I have to consent with pilot Zenariae. Changing ones race over the issue of identity is treating a symptom rather then a problem - That is, societies passing judgements or imparting concrete expectations based on it. In the end, approaching the issue in this way will only validate those unconstructive cultural notions further.


Well, with the issue of culture and race being conflated so frequently it's not surprising.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Candi LeMew
Division 13
#235 - 2015-01-11 09:25:05 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I am, personally, very happy in my current racial identity. All I'm saying is that I know two capsuleers who are not.

I always wished I was born Achuran.

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#236 - 2015-01-11 16:01:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Well, with the issue of culture and race being conflated so frequently it's not surprising.


Well, that's exactly the problem, Pieter. While in the foggy days of the past such a sentiment might have been excusable by virtue of simple ignorance, we, as enlightened people today, know scientifically that the difference between human beings of different race in terms of mental makeup is so microscopically menial that it simply can't be taken seriously as a factor worthy of having any impact in how we view ourselves or our societies.

Race is race, and culture is culture. That's not to say we shouldn't recognize the connection between the two in terms of heritage and history, as the Caldari do, but allowing those outdated beliefs to continue define us, and to validate them in the ways suggested by some in this thread, will only pass on the legacy of meaningless alienation, hate, and tragedy to our children, instead of finally putting a stop to it.

Candi LeMew wrote:
I always wished I was born Achuran.


You should learn to love yourself for the way you are, miss. If you start down the path of trying to change yourself in one way or another instead of doing that first, you'll never stop.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#237 - 2015-01-11 16:36:19 UTC
Miss Ikiryo, what you are saying is rubbish!

Being a Sebiestor was awful! I wasn't welcomed anywhere, people treated me like I was some savage and even when I was super polite people were surprised and thought I was raised on a village or something! I was super thin, short, with no muscle mass, my eyes and head were too big and don't get me started on the whole tattoo business!

Sure, I had to settle with Intaki genetic markers, and it took me weeks of therapy to get my face right, but now I'm strong enough to wear a dropsuit, my body is more receptive to enhancements and now I can work more closely with corporations and Federal agencies that would otherwise turn me down!

As far as my DED file is concerned, I didn't exist until a few of months ago! As such, who I was before any of this is not important at all! What's important here is self-enhancement!
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#238 - 2015-01-11 17:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
Miss Hydreiga,

Assuming what you're saying is true - I have to confess some degree of general skeptisism with your claims - Most of what you mentioned there are problems with society, not with you. If people treated you like a savage, that is (factually, based on our understanding of genetics and how racial markers influence human behaviour) simple bigotry of either a cultural or personal nature on their part, and no fault of your heritage. As for the issues with your physicality, I doubt they were tied deeply into race, and more likely the other vast amount of variables in human genetics, considering I have met plenty of Sebiestor who are fat, tall, muscular, and so on. One might also consider that lifestyle could have been a factor, although that would be terribly rude, of course!

I would suggest you are attempting to address a social problem with a physical solution, and satisfy people who frankly do not deserve to be satisfied. To attempt to relate personally, as an Achur, I am frequently talked down to and infantalized to a disproportionate degree based on my appearance, considered in many respects the lesser to ethnic Caldari in the context of the State, and have been told on atleast two occasions that I am not acting properly because I am not conforming to the stereotype of being "quiet" and "reserved". All of these things frustrate me - Should I therefore seek to change disguise my heritage in such a way that I will no longer suffer them, despite being physically and mentally healthy?

Of course I shouldn't. The idea is absurd. I serve both myself and society better by attempting to change those perceptions, rather than simply avoiding them.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#239 - 2015-01-11 17:04:33 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Miss Ikiryo, what you are saying is rubbish!

Being a Sebiestor was awful! I wasn't welcomed anywhere, people treated me like I was some savage and even when I was super polite people were surprised and thought I was raised on a village or something! I was super thin, short, with no muscle mass, my eyes and head were too big and don't get me started on the whole tattoo business!

Sure, I had to settle with Intaki genetic markers, and it took me weeks of therapy to get my face right, but now I'm strong enough to wear a dropsuit, my body is more receptive to enhancements and now I can work more closely with corporations and Federal agencies that would otherwise turn me down!

As far as my DED file is concerned, I didn't exist until a few of months ago! As such, who I was before any of this is not important at all! What's important here is self-enhancement!


Then I think the issue here has nothing to do with you being Sebiestor and more to do with who you are.

I never really had much of an issue going around as a Sebiestor. Whenever someone raised some kind of fuss about my bloodline, I made sure he will find no cause to be concerned for long. The ones who can't look past the stereotype and insist on being ignorant of our culture are not worth the time and effort. If they can be so close-minded about my skin-colour, they will be close-minded about everything else, and are not worth the breath wasted on them.

I may be slight of built but I never had much of an issue with physical work. Then again, a childhood spent with labourious work and the latter military training did pretty well in putting some meat around these thin bones.

I wear my tattoos with pride. Every stroke tells a story, all of which I am not ashamed of. Every so often, I look into the mirror, and onto these tattoos, and reflect and reminiscent. Every mistake I made, every noteworthy experiences, every moment of triumph and tribulation, are etched onto my flesh as these tattoos. I looked upon them, reflected on the lessons I had learnt, remember my roots and how I got here, and I was glad. There is no shame with these tattoos.

Though the tattoos can be very inconvenient. Except for the Voluval, none of these tattoos carry over from clone to clone. Whenever I die I have to go and get myself tattooed all over again. However, this is but a minor quibble. I just need to bring along some diversions the next time I need to get all my tattoos back after death.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Candi LeMew
Division 13
#240 - 2015-01-11 22:29:57 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Candi LeMew wrote:
I always wished I was born Achuran.


You should learn to love yourself for the way you are, miss. If you start down the path of trying to change yourself in one way or another instead of doing that first, you'll never stop.

Oh I am happy with myself, Miss Ikiryo!

I just hate where I came from. Had I been born Achuran like my adopted family then I'd never had to suffer the life I did while growin' up in the Federation. My new family though, well they've given me a reason, a purpose and they gave me pride. I dress like them, do my makeup like them, dye my hair like theirs.

It's as much to honor them as it is to be as much like them as I possibly can.

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James