Crime & Punishment

I am wondering what the ganker response to allowing freighters to have drones is...

Discuss...

Something along the lines of lol, drones won't do any good if you're not at the keyboard to launch them....

Anymore entertaining than providing fleet logi support, or repairing Pocos/pos? Sure. But these mechanics still exist, and are still a vital aspect of a game. When your poco is damaged, you dont know whether youll get a fight, but you still spend the how many hours it takes in your basilisk to rep it, either way. Once a battle starts, of course it gets exciting. This doesnt change whether youre flying alongside a fleet of battleships or alongside a freighter. But inbetween, its boring as hell to be repping a poco.

So should we change Logi mechanics to make it more exciting while no battle is occuring, as well?



Sure, and sometimes poco bashing is boring, sometimes poco repairs is boring. Welcome to MMOs, where not every aspect of the game can be super duper exciting.



If youre going to say “might be boring to some”, then ill say that Escorting “might be boring to some”. The fact that you can always find someone who thinks grinding levels is fun, or mining is fun, doesnt change the fact that its generally boring to most people who play it.

However, unless you are on autopilot, you do interact with your client when youre warping your freighter. The fact that part of it is spent simply looking at it, is no different than any other game, where you auto attack and wait for the target to die. I suppose you could be asking for more interaction, but that brings up the question, as to what exactly is your problem with Freighters? Is your problem, the fact that its boring, or the fact that there isnt enough interaction? Because those two arent mutually exclusive. You can have more interaction that is tedious and boring, too, much like grinding levels in an MMO.

So are you saying that you would be okay if changes to freighters became just as boring as they are now, as long as they included more interaction?



When did I ever say that? My comment was in direct response to your claim that they are “victims of circumstance”. Thats not at all what describes most haulers and miners. Most of them go afk because they want to. Its an easy method of making isk with minimal effort. They arent victims of circumstance, they are opportunists. You made them sound like they had no choice but to AFK autopilot.


Are you kidding me? Whose fault do you think that is? The fact of the matter is, its the freighter pilots who are making it so easy for gankers to succeed. The reason why theres no variance and no consequences, is because the freighter pilots dont care enough to fit tanks or bring friends to help. This has nothing to do with disposable characters or disposable ships. It doesnt matter if your ships or chars are disposable, because when theres no resistance, no one whos fighting back, no one whos making the effort to counter the gankers, there will never be any variance, there will never be any consequences.

And the sad thing is, the freighter pilots can bring consequences down and provide variance to gankers. This happens all the time with the AG crew. Ask them how many gankers they killed, how many freighters and miners they saved. And these guys are only a small group of people who actually care to make a difference, care to provide safety and provide consequences to gankers. It has always been up to the players whether someone can get away with something, or whether they will pay the price.

I find it odd that Veers has disappeared and now Lucas Kell is here voicing the same nonsense...and i quote his statement:

Lucas Kell wrote:

Because it has no variance and no consequence. You grab you gank ships, you know exactly how much time you'll have on the clock in the system, the DPS of your fleet, the cap tank of your target. Nobody can really combat you, that's why you guys ridicule white knights, because it's pointless to attempt to stop a disposable character in disposable ships. Even Black Pedro, one of your own has suggested that concord times should be randomised slightly so it requires some actual thought. Oh, as for recycling alts, you can continue to gank on -10, and when you are done it costs less than 400m to undo your sec status hit. So what security penalties?

Isnt that the same platform Veers brays about?

Training plans are not a consequence, they are an entry requirement.

And disposable alts is widely known to be a myth, since it's a permaban level offense.

List an actual mechanical consequence of being a PvE player, please. Since you're so eager to heap mechanics for consequences on others, after all. If you can't think of any good ones, I have a few suggestions.





And here is your problem popping up once again.

If everyone wanted to interact? You're demanding consensual only PvP. That fundamentally violates one of EVE's core principles. Being undocked is consent to PvP.




I'm not griefing anyone. I am engaging in a PvP in a PvP game. If anyone considers that to be griefing, they are playing the wrong game.




And as I have mentioned before, it literally is. It is against the rules to file a petition against someone for a non reportable activity.

This is the literal rule. And I for one would be ecstatic if CCP decided to finally start enforcing it.

You literally don't. You've proven that many times over in this thread.

I "literally" don't? Really? Literally? I think you need to continue your college education, and as a Psychology professor myself I'm wondering if that trumps your semester of psychology as far as being a foundation for understanding the psyche of the ganker and gankee, as you pointed out in your previous posts. Regardless, psychology does dictate one thing as a universal truth when dealing with arguments and debates and that is when one person is in a corner argumentatively they will lash out in the hopes to create a response that either changes the topic or skews the direction of the conversation in a different way. So again... thanks for the win.

Yep.

Personally I'd say training into skills which are only really useful in PVE is a pretty strong conequence. Standings for some PVE is a minor conequence too. The real difference though is you're supposed to be a pirate if you choose ganking as a profession. You're not though, you're a carebear that shooos white squares instead of red crosses.

Whether you like it or not, some people don't want to interact. It would be fair better to give them more reasons to do so, rather than just opening up the game so you can shoot them and they can quit. Nobody wins by shrinking the community.

If you are engaging in PvP purposely to harvest tears (like most of code) then yes, you are griefing. That's what griefing is.


Except it's NOT against the rules to file a petition if you feel like you have been harassed or griefied, no matter how many code member tell you that it's just normal gameplay.

I don't know how it can be simpler: If a player feels like they have been griefed, no matter what objectively have occurred and whether or not you feel they have been griefed, they have the right to report it to CCP. That is the way CCP work it, and they are not going to ban anyone for being upset by something that turns out to be normal gameplay. That's why CCP have the general rule "if in doubt, file a support ticket". No matter how much you think it should be, it's not abuse. Get over it.

This right here by the way is proving my point that code members try to discourage people from reporting when they feel they are being harassed. You're trying to falsely spread the idea that reporting when you feel griefed or harassed, but the other person says it's just gameplay, might get you banned.

At least someone understands me.