Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't have any issues with any of the meta.

If one uses meta4's before, now they'll be using meta 3 as everybody else
If they already trained for meta 5 (t2), and want to get better stats for some drawbacks, they'll use that instead.

- If you have problem with "I don't want to train for t2 stuff, it takes long, so give me a meta equivalent", no.
- Else if you have problem with "I don't want to train for t2 stuff, it takes long, make training shorter so I can reach to those faster", no.
- Else, (in which case you have already trained for t2, but you want mods that has less drawback with same/close to t2 values), no.

If you want meta 5 equivalent meta with lower fitting requirements/drawbacks, use factions/ded. It is intended that way from the beginning.
No need to worry, game will update for everyone, so everybody will be on the same boat. Adapt.

The claim that T2 modules are more expensive than Meta 4 modules is debatable, at best.

JanSVK wrote:
"Expaded Cargohold II
Structure Hitpoint Bonus (%) Cargo Capacity Bonus (%) Velocity Modifier (%)
Old: -20 27.5 -10
New: -23 27.5 -18

Why the nerf ?! Do suicide gankers really need so much help?"

CCP Terminus"This was done in order to keep them in line with other T2 modules. T2 should offer the most power (in this case Cargo Capacity) but with the highest fitting and drawbacks. The velocity penalty was increased the most because it's the least relevant stat on the module. Before this change T2 Expanded Cargoholds were better in every way than the T1 and meta variants.

We don't want obvious fitting options, we want player to have to think about what they're going to use depending on the situation they expect to be in. Everything should have a tradeoff, be it in fitting, raw power, ISK cost, or other variables. If Structure Hitpoints and/or Velocity are a big concern to your fit, consider using the meta 1 version of the module."



So not only is T2 not getting buffed to the better meta4 where that is the case. You are making them worse than pre-patch when they do not suck enough for you as is? You are making the T2 mods you don't like WORSE? How many ways is ccp going to to stick it to haulers? I do not understand the 'Haulers are the new Step headed red childs of EVE'? WTH did they ever do to any one? How do you exploit moving cargo? Or it's just CCP bowing to the make ganking easier Lobby.

The new and future of T2 mods not only will they not be getting rolled into the better meta4 stats as is the case, we will be lucky if you don't add more negative effects? Once again T2 already has built in drawbacks (cost, higher skills, take more DAMAGE from Over Heating even the passive mods take more passive damage from rack Heat, and are hard to make cause of the MESSED UP T2 Invention and Production). Do you think by making all mods below faction suck so much we will be forced to use Faction or higher?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=393781&p=12

Really EVE players? CCP is not only getting rid of Meta4(mission runners say good bye to profitable loot), and not buffing those T2 that were inferior(say good bye to min/maxed T1 pvp fits), but also making some T2 suck more than EVER! This is in EFFECT re balancing ships not just mods. Argue hundreds of pages over a minor change to X ship but have the entire game changed and fitting options adjusted to the negative and hardly a squeak?