EVE General Discussion

I made a better one - maybe you like this one :

"Dear New Player ( aka Newbro, cause we know you ain't a Newb),

Welcome to EVE Online ! If you thought WoW was hard - boy you're in for a surprise ! Cause EVE is like SUPER easy !
Ok, so listen up : all you have to do is press that button with right-pointing yellow arrows that says Undock.
You did ? Good job !
Here comes the hard part - we have these stretches of space called Low Security and Null Security (nevermind the High Security one - that's for crybabies and wimps who can't even solo Hogger, pfff ) - you go straight up to the Null Security (the red one that says 0.0) space one and start killing some stuff ! That will net you like HUGE ammounts of ISK and you'll be rich in no time. Trust us !
However if you're scared or want to take the safe route you should go to Low Security space. Things are far easier there. What you do there you ask? Shoot things obviously, this is a PvP oriented MMO after all.
What? You don't have skills? NO WORRIES, your Gunnery II and Astrometrics I are more than enough to claim your own little space home.

But wait there's more ! Little known fact is that Wormhole Space (sounds earie doesn't it ) is FULL of ISK and goodies you can get your hands on SUPER easy ! If you ask us - there's the place to make you fortune !
Haha you go show them what you Amarr Frigate II is worth you badass you !

Of course there's also things like mining or running missions (this is something like questing but a bit different) but hey - you are an experienced MMOer and PvPer, a master of Warsong Gulch like you doesn't stoop to such lows.

So go on and make some ISK - the Universe is yours!

Best Regards,
CCP"

Whaddya say ? Better?

Meh, you have a monocle, what do I know...

To keep an eye on the overview, going afk is bad and not to trust anyone in a non mining ship?

There are no warped priorities in a sandbox. That thought itself is warped.

The message should be better but if they want to go grind, and many do, the welcome note should explain that as well.

Overreact much?

While this is quite a poor bit of NPE from CCP, it's far from the worst they've got. I haven't done the tutorials since they reworked them, but apparently they claim mining is a great source of income, which is a flat out lie. Even a day 1 player can easily make tenfold the amount they would do through mining, if directed properly, all while actually having _fun_.

I've helped a large amount of new players moving from mining to other activities; a lot of them had claimed mining is insanely boring but since it's "the only way to make money" they do it anyway. Is it any wonder new player retention is always a problem?

Regardless, fixing this email would be a simple but effective first step to improve on.

Actually the Eve Mail message about doing missions is fine since the Career Agent missions give new players a very good jump-start into the game. The Mining part is 2-fold since it also mentions manufacturing with Blueprints to create items to sell on the market.

I agree the message could list more options but it's basically being kept short and simple. Since new players have no knowledge of game mechanics, no assets to use, no skills trained or any ISK available, they'll be hard pressed to do anything else other than those two activities mentioned in the welcome mail.

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I believe Aura NPE is the first real interaction between new player and the game. It should teach the player about the various User Interfaces - both in station and in space. Not only teach new players how to control their ship (Overview, Selected Item, etc.) but also explain each section of the character sheet, Neocom bar and Station Services.

That's quite a lot of info right at the start for new players to learn and digest. To keep them interested while learning those things, players are sent to do various tasks which incorporates those topics.

After learning the basics, new players are then sent to the Career Agents for more instruction. The Career Agents themselves could be much more detailed and cover more topics. Currently there's 5 different titles = Business, Industry, Military, Exploration and Advanced Military. Some of those titles could be renamed.

Business and Industry Career Agents are very similar and could be merged together into one.
(Industry Career Agents) - explain the topics of Resource Gathering (Mining, Planetary Interaction, Salvaging), Sales (Market, Contracts), Manufacturing (Blueprints, Production, Research).

Exploration Career Agents could have their name changed to Probing Career Agents.
(Probing Career Agents) - explain and focus on various types of targets available when Probing with both Core and Combat probes, escalations, working with the Star / System map, D-scan, plotting and changing course, creating various types of bookmarks, setting Contact status, etc..

(Military Career Agents) - explain and focus on the various types of Agents, their Levels and Divisions available, Faction and Corporation standing mechanics, personal security status, creating Jump-clones, Sansha Incursions, Factional Warfare, etc.

Advanced Military Career Agents could have their name changed to Fleet Career Agents.
(Fleet Career Agents) - explain and focus on the various aspects of Fleet Operations, types of ship roles, EWAR, ECM, Booster effects, etc. They should also cover the basics on Fleet compositions - PvP, Factional Warfare, Incursions, Mining, Mission, etc.

Obviously that's a lot of stuff listed and there's even more stuff that should be included. Each topic could have a basic and advanced Career Agent available to ensure all the info is made available. Probably be a good idea to create more Career Agents to help cover missing topics, such as joining player corporations, being an outlaw, Crimewatch mechanics, Bounty, WarDecs, etc.

Just food for thought.


DMC

So, what should they do instead of 'basic mind-numbing stuff'? Fly into a fleet fight they're not prepared for? Lose a few ships, run out of ISK ('cause they don't know how to mine or who to ask) and quit in frustration?

'This is how you perform the most basic, fundamental functions of EVE Online'. That's what the welcome mail is for, so the new players aren't immediately swamped by a system they don't understand. it also gives them a place to find help, and maybe run into other new players -- which will be a lot more comfortable than getting thrown into the shark tank on the first day at the helm.



Of course the career tutorials are 'limited' -- they're tutorials, for cryin' out loud! You don't just pick up a brush and instantly create a masterpiece.

No. Thats what you want it to say so that you can justify this terrible thread.

Well, I (much like other people) do a little bit of research before I plunge into an MMO. So, I would know that EVE online revolves around a shared, persistant universe that has hosted the biggest PVP battles in MMO history. I'd also know that gigantic player run corporations and alliances are the ticket to exploring and exploiting the lawless regions of space.

When I signed up for a new account and received that email, it would tell me that ISK is the currency used in EVE. It would also tell me that a couple of the ways to go about getting ISK is to mine and do missions; two perfectly acceptable ways to spend your time in EVE. (Also two ways of getting ISK that I already knew about by doing just a tiny bit of research on the internet)

Your hyperbole and overreaction are merely attempts at getting personal attention, which you have succeeded in doing on a limited level.