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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2015-01-04 16:25:33 UTC
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
Richenou Dellocort wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Here's a tip for quick isk.

Buy an expanded probe launcher and combat probes, fit to a cruiser and scan down abandoned drones and mobile tractors.
Scoop drones, shoot mtu's loot the wreck.

Resell what you find.

But if you can figure out how to combat probe quickly you will have just made yourself an asset for a PvP CorpBlink


Laughs, you lost me at fit to a cruiser Shocked ... that will literally take weeks if you combine with MWD, cloaking, and all the other basic thinks a new pilot needs. but now I have something to shoot for thanks :)


yeah. Because afterburner 3, Mcpu management 4 and small turrets 3 is such a long train. Not that you even need turrets, since MTUs are weak and even meh drones will work.
I do wonder why he didn't suggest a t1 exploration frigate though, it had probe bonuses, bigger cargo, smaller signal moves faster. MAYBE because you might get unlucky and get hit while looting or something.

actually I don't spend much time in exploration frigates so it's an oversight on my part, yeah if the cargo hold is bigger then go with that, its a nice little earner if you can find stuff like faction drones and derpy mission runners who will have lost their faction fit ship (the mtu will suck up the modules).

Be warned though, shooting tractor units well give you a suspect timer and anyone can shoot you for its duration (15 minutes) you're allowed defend yourself obviously.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#22 - 2015-01-04 16:30:27 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
Richenou Dellocort wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Here's a tip for quick isk.

Buy an expanded probe launcher and combat probes, fit to a cruiser and scan down abandoned drones and mobile tractors.
Scoop drones, shoot mtu's loot the wreck.

Resell what you find.

But if you can figure out how to combat probe quickly you will have just made yourself an asset for a PvP CorpBlink


Laughs, you lost me at fit to a cruiser Shocked ... that will literally take weeks if you combine with MWD, cloaking, and all the other basic thinks a new pilot needs. but now I have something to shoot for thanks :)


yeah. Because afterburner 3, Mcpu management 4 and small turrets 3 is such a long train. Not that you even need turrets, since MTUs are weak and even meh drones will work.
I do wonder why he didn't suggest a t1 exploration frigate though, it had probe bonuses, bigger cargo, smaller signal moves faster. MAYBE because you might get unlucky and get hit while looting or something.

actually I don't spend much time in exploration frigates so it's an oversight on my part, yeah if the cargo hold is bigger then go with that, its a nice little earner if you can find stuff like faction drones and derpy mission runners who will have lost their faction fit ship (the mtu will suck up the modules).

Be warned though, shooting tractor units well give you a suspect timer and anyone can shoot you for its duration (15 minutes) you're allowed defend yourself obviously.

Yea, I just tried to make some decent fits forexploration frigates and I couldn't make any. Space for 1 drone and no turrets gives 30 DPS with perfect skills and 2 dda. I'm not quite sure on mtu hp tho
Kharaxus
Eve Academy Corporation
#23 - 2015-01-04 16:36:18 UTC
Richenou Dellocort wrote:
Laughs, you lost me at fit to a cruiser Shocked ... that will literally take weeks if you combine with MWD, cloaking, and all the other basic thinks a new pilot needs. but now I have something to shoot for thanks :)


What he meant was in Hi-Sec space. All you need is a ship that can fit the expanded probe launcher. Any scanning frigate can do it - if thats ALL you fit to the frigate. Its very very very good practice to get into (hint hint hint)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#24 - 2015-01-04 18:05:24 UTC
Kharaxus wrote:
Richenou Dellocort wrote:
Laughs, you lost me at fit to a cruiser Shocked ... that will literally take weeks if you combine with MWD, cloaking, and all the other basic thinks a new pilot needs. but now I have something to shoot for thanks :)


What he meant was in Hi-Sec space. All you need is a ship that can fit the expanded probe launcher. Any scanning frigate can do it - if thats ALL you fit to the frigate. Its very very very good practice to get into (hint hint hint)


Exactly, and lol at weeks , I'm training logi and galente cruiser to 5, it's nearly 40 days or so For those two to go one level.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Orlacc
#25 - 2015-01-04 18:18:21 UTC
Kharaxus wrote:
Richenou Dellocort wrote:
Laughs, you lost me at fit to a cruiser Shocked ... that will literally take weeks if you combine with MWD, cloaking, and all the other basic thinks a new pilot needs. but now I have something to shoot for thanks :)


What he meant was in Hi-Sec space. All you need is a ship that can fit the expanded probe launcher. Any scanning frigate can do it - if thats ALL you fit to the frigate. Its very very very good practice to get into (hint hint hint)




Why cloaking and MWD in high sec relic and data sites???? You need a probe launcher and relic and data analyzer. That's it.


You keep saying you need a bootstrap. High sec IS for gosh sakes. If that is too much well.......

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#26 - 2015-01-04 23:48:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
I concur with Ralph. Finding stuff is half the work. Once you find you grand collection of hisec wormholes and can point them down relatively quickly, the idea is to go explore... into dangerous space that is. I'd just start with lowsec, use wormholes to move around the map.

Moving around in a T2 covops frigate is really easy in low, only pilot error and a small number of specialized weapons (sebos, smartbombs) can truly kill you in transit. It's worth the training time, almost everybody trains at least a modicum of cloaking skills.

The data/relic sites are more abundant, yield better loot, but don't have such hard minigames as in nullsec. Wormholes will allow you to waltz in and out, and find systems in faraway places where nobody is active. The jackpot is a system where, due to negligance or disinterest, many signatures have spawned over time.

Also, combat probing for abandoned T2 drones in lowsec is a really good monetary tip. Just add them to your d-scanner, and probe them out once you find a few. Skip T1 damage drones, but do pickup stuff like ECM drones. I wish I discovered this way earlier in my Eve carreer, as a flight of T2 drones will net you more ISK then the raw payment of a level 3 mission.
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#27 - 2015-01-05 01:53:55 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Kharaxus wrote:
Richenou Dellocort wrote:
Laughs, you lost me at fit to a cruiser Shocked ... that will literally take weeks if you combine with MWD, cloaking, and all the other basic thinks a new pilot needs. but now I have something to shoot for thanks :)


What he meant was in Hi-Sec space. All you need is a ship that can fit the expanded probe launcher. Any scanning frigate can do it - if thats ALL you fit to the frigate. Its very very very good practice to get into (hint hint hint)




Why cloaking and MWD in high sec relic and data sites???? You need a probe launcher and relic and data analyzer. That's it.


You keep saying you need a bootstrap. High sec IS for gosh sakes. If that is too much well.......
Isn't Ralphs suggestion to go practice combat probing in highsec and live dangerously (suspect)?
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-01-06 15:18:02 UTC
Twitch Seilus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-01-06 15:40:21 UTC
Not intending to hijack, but a related question.

Ive been doing some exploring as well, mainly in hisec at this point.

I have managed to find sites pretty regularly and the hunt for them is kinda fun, but then when I finally find them, I have yet to have what I find make it worth it.

Ive hit a dozen or so relic and data sites I think the biggest haul ive had from relic or data sites has been maybe 250k ISK.. which when you factor in the number of jumps and time spent, is basically nothing.

Obviously hisec relic/data sites are not going to be as valuable as low or null sites, but from my own experience, they are basically worthless..


Have I just had poor luck or is this pretty much what I should expect?.

Iven tried a few times in lowsec and almost every site ive found has been camped.

Once in particular I warped in, saw someone else doing the site and cloaked. A few sec later someone warped in and ganked them, then the ganker cloaked..

for 15 min I watched the ganker nail every person that approached the site and all I kept thinking was "let them loot it first dummy!"
Richenou Dellocort
Logistical Support Services
#30 - 2015-01-06 16:37:11 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Why cloaking and MWD in high sec relic and data sites???? You need a probe launcher and relic and data analyzer. That's it.


You keep saying you need a bootstrap. High sec IS for gosh sakes. If that is too much well.......



It's not that it's "too much" please give people some credit. I have been scanning over the last few days for several hours each day and have found a number of wormholes and combat sites, and a few mining sites. I have come across exactly two data sites, one which was already looted, and the other success! I have yet to see a relic site. If data and relic sites are so few that they get looted almost immediately by the teaming hordes of newbie explorers then there simply needs to be more.

It's not going to upset the balance of the game, no one will be getting rich (the can I did find got me little more then a lvl 1 mission), it's not going to make it "too easy" you still have to pin it down. There just needs to be more available to make it worth someones time or they will just go back to mining. That's really all I'm saying. If, on the other hand, the issue that i need more skills to see more sties then that's find too. but It's really not for lack of trying.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-01-06 17:58:02 UTC
Twitch Seilus wrote:
Not intending to hijack, but a related question.

Ive been doing some exploring as well, mainly in hisec at this point.

I have managed to find sites pretty regularly and the hunt for them is kinda fun, but then when I finally find them, I have yet to have what I find make it worth it.

Ive hit a dozen or so relic and data sites I think the biggest haul ive had from relic or data sites has been maybe 250k ISK.. which when you factor in the number of jumps and time spent, is basically nothing.

Obviously hisec relic/data sites are not going to be as valuable as low or null sites, but from my own experience, they are basically worthless..


Have I just had poor luck or is this pretty much what I should expect?.

Iven tried a few times in lowsec and almost every site ive found has been camped.

Once in particular I warped in, saw someone else doing the site and cloaked. A few sec later someone warped in and ganked them, then the ganker cloaked..

for 15 min I watched the ganker nail every person that approached the site and all I kept thinking was "let them loot it first dummy!"





High sec data relic is pretty worthless yes

Art of Explosions
Kharaxus
Eve Academy Corporation
#32 - 2015-01-06 18:11:34 UTC
Twitch Seilus wrote:
Not intending to hijack, but a related question.

Ive been doing some exploring as well, mainly in hisec at this point.

I have managed to find sites pretty regularly and the hunt for them is kinda fun, but then when I finally find them, I have yet to have what I find make it worth it.

Ive hit a dozen or so relic and data sites I think the biggest haul ive had from relic or data sites has been maybe 250k ISK.. which when you factor in the number of jumps and time spent, is basically nothing.

Obviously hisec relic/data sites are not going to be as valuable as low or null sites, but from my own experience, they are basically worthless..


Have I just had poor luck or is this pretty much what I should expect?.

Iven tried a few times in lowsec and almost every site ive found has been camped.

Once in particular I warped in, saw someone else doing the site and cloaked. A few sec later someone warped in and ganked them, then the ganker cloaked..

for 15 min I watched the ganker nail every person that approached the site and all I kept thinking was "let them loot it first dummy!"






Hi-sec exploration = basic mechanics.

Low/null = greater reward for the risk - learn the mechanics first, identify the risk, and make sure you fly, what you can lose.

There are plenty of systems people are not camping. Not a lot of reason to be in those systems in most cases, except exploration and who wants to camp a site out in the middle of nowhere waiting for a lone capsuleer that makes it past the gate camps?
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