Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So what makes them OP?

If you know the answer let me know.

Oh im sorry I don't see where on the Ishtar where it get a Range and Tracking bonus to its weapons? Do you have a different version then I do?

I mean I see a bonus applied to Sentry Drones, of course it couldn't be an issue with Sentries. I mean they have only been used heavily since changes made by CCP over a year ago, with Domis, Gilas, Prophecy, Archons.

But ya I don't see anything about the Ishtar that makes it OP, at least not any more OP than any of the other HAC hulls.

Weird.

I didn't say Gila's use sentries, I said they did. Maybe you should learn to read some time.

Honestly you chucklefucks that keep blaming ship hulls with drone bonuses for the clearly unbalanced Sentry Drone line makes me laugh. Without Sentries the Ishtar is ****. With Sentries it is a god....hmmm I wonder could it be Sentry drones that aren't scaled right.

Come on son have you played at all since 2013, just look at the "meta" for the past year...

Anything that can use Sentry Drones.

Ya it is bad with heavy drones. My Cruiser can kite them taking no damage looool. Come on guy, you want to talk about Ishtars all night or why BC's are such ****.

Or maybe deep down inside you want to talk about how Sentry Drones are completely out of line with other drones, and make relatively garbage ships like the Ishtar OP!.

Would you like to borrow a shovel for your next post?

LOL you don't know how the mechanics of this game work do you.

Once upon a time New Eden capsuleers all got excited. The reason was, we got new ships - yeay.

With "Trinity" came few new toys with soon to be loathed names like the Harbinger, the hurrican, the Drake and the Myrmidon.

It only took two weeks to come to a profound conclusion, they too stronkhh.

At the day of "Trinity" nobody could play- no wait, different story.

So the Myrmidon, a drone battlecruiser with 125mbit drone bandwidht that was capable of unleashing five heavy drones

The fearsome Drake with seven missile launchers and somewhere in the region of 400 shield hp/s got nerfed.

All of the battlecruisers shield recharge time was increased from 1250s to 1400s and the drone bandwidth of the Myrmidon was reduced.

It is a shame that sentry drones got their range nerf they got with the drone changes. The Dominix and Navy Dominix and the Rattlesnake, really would have liked to keep the range they had.

Some folks figured out that you could "volley" everyone of the field if they would use many sentries and give the "command" of the sentries to someone with a mobile boat, using all the mechanics that have been there since the beginning of time.

Word spread around like wildfire and soon thereafter a lot of people used the same mechanics.

If it weren't for youtube, nobody would have seen a Drake able to kill other players ships with missiles.

And since missiles are the work of Evil, something had to be done.

Begone with the one that killed an oncle Bob member, may he never do this again.

People like to fly ships.

We also like to fly around really fast, so we may fit a propulsion mod to fly around fast.

Frigates and destroyers can fly around with a mwd turned on all day long. Cool stuff. Changes of the years made a lot of small ships 'stay small' with a microwarpdrive on, even cooler stuff.

After our beloved HACs were changed most of the HACs can do the same thing that frigates and destroyers can do, except the Zealot.

They even field close to battleship amounts of firepower while being mobile.

Tech one cruisers and battlecruisers have to commit cap-suicide to be able to fly around with a microwarpdrive, the intended weakness of the hulls.

But who likes to 'weak' if the only thing that counts is what some website is telling you?

So if i"m calling something OP i'm a stupid NS blob pet ? C'mon... there is ppl which are not braindead yet.

So the fact that an ishtar, a cruiser, uses a full 5 heavy drones or sentries which are balanced for use on battleships, with bonuses on par with battleships and thus projection and DPS on par with battleships, coupled with mediocre cruiser mobility (armor fit) or pretty good cruiser mobility (shield), and a fairly decent tank for a HAC (t2 cruiser) with none of the downsides of the slower, squishier, Attack battlecruisers whose gimmick is using oversized weapons on a slightly larger hull, is balanced?

Hint: the bonuses and bandwidth are the defining characteristics of an ishtar. Short of wildly out of class base stats in many other places, so long as these remain in play, ishtar will be at or around the top of the heap for midlevel engagements.

That's another subject.

But yes, Ishtar need to be fix.

Drones don't work that way.