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Corp Mining Ops: How do you reward your players?
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Eddard Varbosa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-09-13 00:39:03 UTC
Okay, so my corp is about to start mining ops on a bigger scale than previously.
I was wondering how you bigger corps split the ore or isk from the sale of ore?

Do you just pay them for their time and all ore goes to the corp?
Or do they get a split of what was mined.

I'd really appreciate some input on this, thanks.
Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
#2 - 2011-09-13 01:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mechanoid Kryten
In my first corp, we paid out by time mined, ore was refined at perfect refine and taxed 10% (i reduced the tax to 7.5% when i became ceo). This greatly benefited the new players at the expense of multi-hulk pilots like myself. We would build from the minerals and use the profits for the corp wallet toward offices and pos feul. and to defend against war decs.

Another corp i know throws all the mined minerals into corp hanger and uses corp blue prints to build from it. then pays people the profits. I think this is a superb way of doing things.

I have also seen larger alliances hold for-charity mining ops where all the minerals went to fund alliance expenses. I don't like this approach because the people who contribute resent the people who don't, and other drama.

I don't currently run mining ops but if i did, i would do a middle ground of the 2 approaches. I would pay people full mineral price (local trade hub high buy prices) by time mined, no taxes involved, but then use the minerals to build for my own profit.
(the corp wallet can race some lemmings for fastest wall-jump as far as I'm concerned since i end up pouring my isk into anyway -- might as well pretend it's my profit for a little while no?)

Edit: be sure to have plenty of haulers. Iterons / badger / etc can haul directly from an orca hanger if needed if you have limited # of orcas.

What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again!
Xythe Marstolt
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-09-13 10:18:46 UTC
Mechanoid Kryten wrote:
Another corp i know throws all the mined minerals into corp hanger and uses corp blue prints to build from it. then pays people the profits. I think this is a superb way of doing things..


My current corp does this. The time you spend mining is recorded, and corp manufacturing profits are split between everybody based on how many hours they contribute. There's a payout every 2 weeks or so.

Previous corp I was with refined and sold to mineral buy orders in Jita at the end of each op. Corp took 10%, the rest was evenly split between participants.

Really it depends on what kind of corp you are. If you're pure mining, then you either want to be giving out ore/minerals for members to use as they wish, or selling and splitting the ISK. If you're mining to feed into corp manufacturing, the profit share method is great. It's a delayed return (i.e. people don't see any reward right away like they do if you hand the minerals out), but due to the manufacturing mark-up, everyone makes more in the long run.
Nefrin Maldoes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-09-13 12:23:49 UTC
Lots of good suggestions so far. I'll chip in that it also depends on what else your Corp does or provides.

For example, our Corp mining ops are taxed at an equal amount of the current Corp tax on minerals after a perfect refinement, since the Corp provides ammo and ships to members. The remaining minerals are divided amongst whoever participated, to do with as they please.

In response to your specific question, again it depends on the needs of the Corp. If the Corp is producing and is in need of the ore (and the Corp wallet can afford it) paying for time mining is a very viable option.

If the wallet is a bit small, or you don't have need of more materials for production, splitting the ore is an easier method of paying members who can then turn around and sell it or produce with it.

I will suggest that picking one option, whatever it is, and sticking with it is the best method. Try not to offer to many ways of paying for mining time, or changing how payouts work from week to week. This will just confuse people and make them less likely to show up.

I got a like? When did this happen?
Nodwood
Eve Academy Corporation
#5 - 2011-09-13 14:13:52 UTC
I was ones part of a guild I forgot the name of years ago - we mined into a Orca and some fleet thing or fiture of the Orca listet us for how much we had transfered in to the Orca.

so that the one who had tranfered the most velspar was at top, then the one who had transfered the second most and then maybe the guy who had transfered the most scordite and so on. so that if you mined different kinds of astroids, you would be on the list multiple times.(I am not talking about the loot log)

that way the fleet commander could easly put people and how much they each mined in to a simple excel spread sheet and then put in the prices that the minerals from the ore sold for - maybe minus sime minerals to help out the corp - and then pay people for exactly what they mined.

my current corp does not do this and I have not been in a fleet since where they did this. Can someone confirm that this is possible and how you apply that fiture. I am sure it is possible, I rememebr how players competed to be the one who had mined the most of a ore. just had not seen it since and had a long break from EVE after, so never talked to those guys again.
Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-09-13 15:46:44 UTC
I can't offer anything specific. But as a reward for your corp, i'd suggest having a long-term goal for the corp that benefits everyone and give incentive for them to participate.

For instance, a corp freighter.

I always went with ships as a reward for mining ops.
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#7 - 2011-09-13 15:55:16 UTC
Our alliance has 2 ways of doing it.

First off, we have an internal set of mineral prices. These are good prices for minerals, and anyone can sell to the alliance at these rates with a certain maximum per day(I think 40M is the max)

When we have mining ops, the limit is removed for sales from that op. We get together, mine for X amount of time,
and dependent on howmuch time you spent during the op, you get a share of the money made by selling those minerals to the alliance, with a 10% bonus to the prices for added fun.
Refining is ofcourse done at perfect refining rates.

IE: total op is 4 hours, you are there for 2, you get half of what someone who was there for 4 hours gets.
haulers and miners both get equal shares, as the size of our ops means that the orca haulers are busy nearly all the time.
( OUR HULKS BLOT OUT THE SUN! NO SYSTEM IS SAFE! )

the equal share in the ops favors our newbie pilos who are there in retrievers, though the multi-hulk mining monster does get a share for ever pilot he/she has got on the field, but his hulk pilot gets the same as that retriever.

At the end of the OP, a total is tallied and all profit calculations and payouts are sent in an alliance mail, along with participants and what they are flying, so the big multi-hulk mining monsters do get an 'honerable mention' as they're labeled as such.

Usually my corp has it's own mining ops as well. The last time we were in an alliance mining op, people were a little scared of us, when we showed up with 10 hulks, 2 orcas and a perfect booster.
At the end of that op, there were no survivors in the asteroid belts.. they were all empty in the entire solar system we mined.

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#8 - 2011-09-13 18:27:58 UTC
For my corp, we try to do official mining ops a couple times a week if people are around and we'll take 20% for the corp and then split the rest between the people who were there (if there's some people that were only there a tiny bit compared to others, they might get half a share instead, but it's easiest to do an even split if it's fairly close). With an Orca boosting and hauling, people end up making close to what they would have made anyways mining solo.

Sometimes there will also be one or two people mining and I'll end up bringing my Orca out just because I'm mostly AFK anyways and my char might as well boost and haul for people, for impromptu ops like that, we do 5% tax before splitting.

No, it's not the most detailed or sophisticated system, but it works fine, everyone is happy with it, and we have fun hanging out and mining.
Bloody Wench
#9 - 2011-09-14 03:26:10 UTC
When my other corp does a mining OP (when the % of grav sites get to a point where they annoy me) the rorqual pilot takes all the profit and my 5 hulk alts can stfu and be happy they dont get biomassed.

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