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PSA: Bumped/ransomed by gankers? Safe log-off!

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#1 - 2015-01-02 17:57:48 UTC
Lately there has been something of a surge of ganking in high security space, often including the tactic of bumping the target (to keep them from escaping) while ransoming them for a hefty sum. After losing one of my own ships to this sort of attack, I wrote a quick guide to one of the ways to get out of such a ransom situation:

http://www.thewholefrigate.com/2015/01/psa-bumped-before-gank-safe-log-off.html (tl;dr: use the "safe log off" and keep them talking while it ticks down)

This is good for newbies and veterans alike; from the people i have talked to, it is not an especially obvious solution to the situation. I hope this helps you folks not lose ships or ransom money! Also I hope it helps forum warriors have an extra response to "this is so unfair, there was nothing I could do against those mean gankers!"

Cheers!

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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#2 - 2015-01-02 18:02:23 UTC
The obvious trick here is not to tip them off because if you just kill the client,
you pop out of local and they know then to either gank you there and then, or agrees you with a nubie ship which will keep you there for I5 minutes.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#3 - 2015-01-02 18:09:11 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
The obvious trick here is not to tip them off because if you just kill the client,
you pop out of local and they know then to either gank you there and then, or agrees you with a nubie ship which will keep you there for I5 minutes.

Yep. That's the advantage of safe log-off. As I said, the situation in which you're being bumped and ransomed is already an extremely bad situation, and this is just a mitigating tactic that might work. If the gankers up their game and forget ransoming you, or aggress you with a noobship, you're still in trouble.

I will have another blog post soon about how to not get into the troublesome situation in the first place.

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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#4 - 2015-01-02 18:17:08 UTC
I have actually seen this work in uedama before when coded and marmite were still hanging out together , a clever providence pilot just *pop* gone , mid conversation.
J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-01-02 18:27:01 UTC
Or dont be there as a target in the first place.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2015-01-02 18:59:17 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Or dont be there as a target in the first place.

That's just crazy talk. Stop it.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#7 - 2015-01-02 20:15:42 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Or dont be there as a target in the first place.


So...never undock?

That's a little counterproductive and not much fun. Unless you are a station trader, of course.

Anyway, good PSA. A last ditch strategy that not many know about. If it saves one freighter, it was worth the time to write that blog.

Mr Epeen Cool
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#8 - 2015-01-02 20:29:48 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:

Anyway, good PSA. A last ditch strategy that not many know about. If it saves one freighter, it was worth the time to write that blog.

Mr Epeen Cool

It would have certainly saved my freighter. That guy spend a long while blabbing about it, and to top it off, his gank failed (left me at half struct). I had to wait around for 20 minutes while his Catalysts reshipped. There were definitely multiple instances where I would have had 30 seconds to log off, but I only realized I could have done that after I lost the ship. Oh well.

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Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-01-02 21:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Eldwinn
You cannot be targeted while "safe logging". Unless this was changed recently and I have yet experienced this. The point is, a ganker that knows what he is doing will just lock you and bump you until catalysts land. A lot of the suggestions the "anti-ganker" groups make are all based from human error.
J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-01-02 21:17:36 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Or dont be there as a target in the first place.

That's just crazy talk. Stop it.


Uhm...is it


As a miner, plenty of systems you never see a ganker in.

As a freighter pilot, easy solution, use a web alt and laugh at the bumpers as you are in warp before they even spot you.
Hell, both my freighters are ALWAYS accompanied by webbing alt.


Easy solution...be active and don't become a target.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#11 - 2015-01-02 21:47:26 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Easy solution...be active and don't become a target.

but it is so much easier to sit here and complain on the forums!

but to be useful, remember to fit a tank, and don't leave big resistance holes, although probably worth it for a little extra kin/therm resists as blasters seem to be a preferred gank weapon these days.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#12 - 2015-01-02 21:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Eldwinn wrote:
You cannot be targeted while "safe logging". Unless this was changed recently and I have yet experienced this. The point is, a ganker that knows what he is doing will just lock you and bump you until catalysts land. A lot of the suggestions the "anti-ganker" groups make are all based from human error.

A lot of victories in general PvP are based on taking advantage of human error.

Also is it incoming or outgoing targeting that stops safe logoff? The wiki page says "you have a target lock", which is sort of ambiguous. I clearly remember when testing the safe logoff that I could not be targeting something else, but I have not tested it with someone targeting me.
J'Poll wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Or dont be there as a target in the first place.

That's just crazy talk. Stop it.


Uhm...is it


As a miner, plenty of systems you never see a ganker in.

As a freighter pilot, easy solution, use a web alt and laugh at the bumpers as you are in warp before they even spot you.
Hell, both my freighters are ALWAYS accompanied by webbing alt.


Easy solution...be active and don't become a target.

Geez, chill. I was being deliberately obtuse about how "not being a target" is unacceptable. It's called humor.

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Paranoid Loyd
#13 - 2015-01-02 22:09:13 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Geez, chill. I was being deliberately obtuse about how "not being a target" is unacceptable. It's called humor.
I'm all for deliberate obtusion being used to create entertainment, just not in noob land. They are confused enough without adding in sarcasm detection requirements.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#14 - 2015-01-02 22:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Geez, chill. I was being deliberately obtuse about how "not being a target" is unacceptable. It's called humor.
I'm all for deliberate obtusion being used to create entertainment, just not in noob land. They are confused enough without adding in sarcasm detection requirements.

*shakes cane* Back in my day newbies had to wade through sarcastic "because of Falcon" and "Drakes Online" comments, uphill, both ways. Or... wait... were they sarcastic?

...

Get off my lawn!

Edit:This kind of cane, not this one. The pun was unintentional.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#15 - 2015-01-03 08:01:05 UTC
The failure of this is, it's trivial for another person to abort the safe logoff. Bumpers who know what they're doing will tag you with a shot from a newbie ship.

At that point, you can't safe logoff. From the wiki:

Quote:
You cannot be safely logging off while: You have aggression from players or NPCs
You cannot initiate a safe logoff while any of these things are happening, and if they happen once the countdown is running, it will be aborted.


So, newbies, just remember this "defense" isn't a sure thing, and us gankers have known how to stop it for a long while.


Really though, the best defense is to be prepared. If I have the choice between gunning down an anti-tanked freighter, and hitting a tanked one, I'll pick untanked any day. You don't have to be the fastest gazelle on the savannah, you just have to be faster than the slowest one.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#16 - 2015-01-05 15:00:42 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:

Really though, the best defense is to be prepared. If I have the choice between gunning down an anti-tanked freighter, and hitting a tanked one, I'll pick untanked any day. You don't have to be the fastest gazelle on the savannah, you just have to be faster than the slowest one.

Quoting for truth.

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-01-05 15:21:09 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The failure of this is, it's trivial for another person to abort the safe logoff. Bumpers who know what they're doing will tag you with a shot from a newbie ship.

At that point, you can't safe logoff. From the wiki:

Quote:
You cannot be safely logging off while: You have aggression from players or NPCs
You cannot initiate a safe logoff while any of these things are happening, and if they happen once the countdown is running, it will be aborted.


So, newbies, just remember this "defense" isn't a sure thing, and us gankers have known how to stop it for a long while.


Really though, the best defense is to be prepared. If I have the choice between gunning down an anti-tanked freighter, and hitting a tanked one, I'll pick untanked any day. You don't have to be the fastest gazelle on the savannah, you just have to be faster than the slowest one.




So you tag it with a rookie ship and bring concord on grid. Well we can pull concord off the grid you say yes but by that time the aggression timer is gone and a new safe log attempt is possible. Its a good trick to **** off those gankers lol +1

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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-01-05 19:24:43 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The failure of this is, it's trivial for another person to abort the safe logoff. Bumpers who know what they're doing will tag you with a shot from a newbie ship.

At that point, you can't safe logoff. From the wiki:

Quote:
You cannot be safely logging off while: You have aggression from players or NPCs
You cannot initiate a safe logoff while any of these things are happening, and if they happen once the countdown is running, it will be aborted.


So, newbies, just remember this "defense" isn't a sure thing, and us gankers have known how to stop it for a long while.


Really though, the best defense is to be prepared. If I have the choice between gunning down an anti-tanked freighter, and hitting a tanked one, I'll pick untanked any day. You don't have to be the fastest gazelle on the savannah, you just have to be faster than the slowest one.




So you tag it with a rookie ship and bring concord on grid. Well we can pull concord off the grid you say yes but by that time the aggression timer is gone and a new safe log attempt is possible. Its a good trick to **** off those gankers lol +1


Hmz

If it takes you more then 5 minutes to get CONCORD off grid, you are doing it wrong in the first place and don't deserve the kill.



Luckily most competent people can easily pull it off before the timer runs out.
Not to mention, it abort the timer, which can then only be started from the start again when your combat flag ends.
So, it is actually quite easy to pull off with the noob-ship tagging.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-01-05 19:33:54 UTC
take an orca alt around and refit bulkheads and laugh as u see the horribly underestimate your hp
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#20 - 2015-01-05 19:40:32 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
take an orca alt around and refit bulkheads and laugh as u see the horribly underestimate your hp

Lot of good that does you when they can just bump you for another 15 minutes while they get more Catalysts. Source: my freighter survived the first gank.

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