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Best idea yet for improving the game

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Liet Ormand
Sons of Bacchus
#1 - 2014-12-31 20:50:29 UTC
CCP -

Here's the best idea I've had yet for improving the game.


Make a note of the user names of all the angry people who post here vilifying your programmers for any small bugs, who complain endlessly about any change they don't like, and who post abusive responses to other people's ideas and thoughts on the game. Then use that list to ignore every last one of them permanently. Also consider a temporary ban on their accounts.

I believe that overall the quality of experience for players in the game (especially new players) would improve greatly without this particular demographic being included in your player base.

Additionally, such venom and anger regarding something as trivial as an online game would seem to indicate they have an unhealthy dependency on playing Eve in their lives, and very likely some time off from the game would do them a world of good.


Cordially,

Liet Ormand


Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2014-12-31 21:08:43 UTC
Would you hand out bans for the people who are:

Unable to use the search function
Post AFK cloaking threads
Demanding AoE doomsday-style weapons
Demanding the complete removal of PVP from highsec
Unable understand even the most basic aspects of the game, yet propose sweeping changes that anyone with half a brain can see the holes in
And, just like you are, Posting obvious troll threads
Liet Ormand
Sons of Bacchus
#3 - 2014-12-31 21:12:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Liet Ormand
I don't want to hand out anything. I'm just a player.

Rather, I'm suggesting an idea (somewhat facetiously) to point out through the use of humor that many people here are rather negative toward their fellow players and posters simply because they can be, even though this is against the rules of this section of the board.

It's unfortunately the case that a very vocal part of this community sees nothing wrong with tearing other people down publicly or otherwise because they feel the time they have invested in game or on these forums gives them the right to do so.

Even your own post has a rather condescending and aggressive tone, though I am not sure you intended that.

I am attempting only to make this sort of attitude more visible, in the hopes that at least one person will read this and check their own behavior.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2014-12-31 21:13:22 UTC
Counter-proposal: anyone in an NPC or 1-man-corp and/or players under a certain age (say, 1 year) cannot post in the Features and Ideas forum.


Negative feedback is still feedback. The reason you have to post your ideas here (and you rarely see a DEV comment on anything) is because players can vet ideas often better than DEVs can. We are, after all, the people who will be experiencing said mechanic and abusing/min-maxing/rolling over other players with it.
Liet Ormand
Sons of Bacchus
#5 - 2014-12-31 21:15:07 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Counter-proposal: anyone in an NPC or 1-man-corp and/or players under a certain age (say, 1 year) cannot post in the Features and Ideas forum.


Negative feedback is still feedback. The reason you have to post your ideas here (and you rarely see a DEV comment on anything) is because players can vet ideas often better than DEVs can. We are, after all, the people who will be experiencing said mechanic and abusing/min-maxing/rolling over other players with it.


Thank you for the example. I believe your own words and attitude express the problem far more eloquently than I could myself.

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-12-31 21:16:13 UTC
OP, you do realize that would probably include yourself as well?

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Mag's
Azn Empire
#7 - 2014-12-31 21:24:23 UTC
Liet Ormand wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Counter-proposal: anyone in an NPC or 1-man-corp and/or players under a certain age (say, 1 year) cannot post in the Features and Ideas forum.


Negative feedback is still feedback. The reason you have to post your ideas here (and you rarely see a DEV comment on anything) is because players can vet ideas often better than DEVs can. We are, after all, the people who will be experiencing said mechanic and abusing/min-maxing/rolling over other players with it.


Thank you for the example. I believe your own words and attitude express the problem far more eloquently than I could myself.

Yes his counter proposal is eloquent and to the point. It highlights an issue we see often.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-12-31 21:24:40 UTC
Liet Ormand wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Counter-proposal: anyone in an NPC or 1-man-corp and/or players under a certain age (say, 1 year) cannot post in the Features and Ideas forum.


Negative feedback is still feedback. The reason you have to post your ideas here (and you rarely see a DEV comment on anything) is because players can vet ideas often better than DEVs can. We are, after all, the people who will be experiencing said mechanic and abusing/min-maxing/rolling over other players with it.


Thank you for the example. I believe your own words and attitude express the problem far more eloquently than I could myself.


Well, that's just, like, your opinion...man.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#9 - 2014-12-31 21:36:18 UTC
This is hilarious in its own special way, especially since I seem to have been the "worst offender" in his threads, looking at his history.

Although I can't seem to find a single instance of any "Abusive responses" in his threads, even including those responses not from me. Plenty of people disagreeing with him and explaining why, which really should be expected in a forum designed for discussion and debate of proposals.

CCP Falcon wrote:
Welcome to the Features & Ideas Discussion Forum Section!

Liet Ormand
Sons of Bacchus
#10 - 2014-12-31 21:43:59 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
OP, you do realize that would probably include yourself as well?


Show me an instance in which I've used abusive language or derisive comments toward anyone and I'll handsomely apologize.

Liet Ormand
Sons of Bacchus
#11 - 2014-12-31 21:46:01 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Liet Ormand wrote:
[quote=ShahFluffers]

Yes his counter proposal is eloquent and to the point. It highlights an issue we see often.



Perhaps, but what I was referring to is his sense of entitlement toward the game and his attitude toward other people. Even in this thread he's essentially ripping into me for daring to criticize his behavior when I haven't actually mentioned him by name or otherwise pointed out anyone at all.

I guess if the shoe fits, wear it.


Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#12 - 2014-12-31 21:51:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
Liet Ormand wrote:

Perhaps, but what I was referring to is his sense of entitlement toward the game and his attitude toward other people. Even in this thread he's essentially ripping into me for daring to criticize his behavior when I haven't actually mentioned him by name or otherwise pointed out anyone at all.

I guess if the shoe fits, wear it.


Wait, so you can dare to criticize people's behaviors but other people can' criticize ideas?

Let's flip this around. Can you show us a single example of any truly abusive behavior on anyone's part in this subforum?
And "This idea is bad and this is why" style posts are not abusive, not in a forum dedicated to discussion of ideas.

Liet Ormand wrote:
Then use that list to ignore every last one of them permanently. Also consider a temporary ban on their accounts.
P.S: Nobody else is insisting people be banned for disagreeing with them.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-12-31 21:54:26 UTC
Liet Ormand wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
OP, you do realize that would probably include yourself as well?


Show me an instance in which I've used abusive language or derisive comments toward anyone and I'll handsomely apologize.

It occurred to me that this part of your proposal could be applied to the proposal itself (mind=blown, btw):
Liet Ormand wrote:
such venom and anger regarding something as trivial as an online game would seem to indicate they have an unhealthy dependency on playing Eve in their lives, and very likely some time off from the game would do them a world of good.
Why else would permabans to people you don't like be the 'Best idea yet to improve the game'? Umad?

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Liet Ormand
Sons of Bacchus
#14 - 2014-12-31 22:47:29 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Liet Ormand wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
OP, you do realize that would probably include yourself as well?


Show me an instance in which I've used abusive language or derisive comments toward anyone and I'll handsomely apologize.

It occurred to me that this part of your proposal could be applied to the proposal itself (mind=blown, btw):
Liet Ormand wrote:
such venom and anger regarding something as trivial as an online game would seem to indicate they have an unhealthy dependency on playing Eve in their lives, and very likely some time off from the game would do them a world of good.
Why else would permabans to people you don't like be the 'Best idea yet to improve the game'? Umad?


You are putting words in my mouth there.

I have never said that CCP should ban people I don't like. In fact, what I suggested was that they should ignore and consider temporarily banning people who are abusive and angry here, on these boards. I actually quite like some of the people who post here and admire their point of view, despite that they are in fact quite emotional rather than objective.

My text above is descriptive of the behavior of some people here, but it does not name anyone nor does it make any statement about them personally. I have not specifically directed it toward any person at all. Thus, it is by definition factual rather than abusive. It describes behavior using adjectives as in any English language sentence, and does so truthfully. I do not imply or state anything about the people making the comments including derogatory statements about their persons.




To CCP: By the way, I apologize in advance for the need to lock this thread. I have realized since posting that it does not belong in this board, and I will attempt to locate such things properly in the future.




Paranoid Loyd
#15 - 2014-12-31 22:47:50 UTC
Liet Ormand wrote:
Show me an instance in which I've used abusive language or derisive comments toward anyone and I'll handsomely apologize.

I found one, it's at the top of this page.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-12-31 23:04:12 UTC
Liet Ormand wrote:
You are putting words in my mouth there.

I have never said that CCP should ban people I don't like. In fact, what I suggested was that they should ignore and consider temporarily banning people who are abusive and angry here, on these boards.
Except they already do. So your 'idea' actually either:

1. Implies ISDs are retards that can't spot abusive people (pro tip: they aren't)

2. Asks for action against people that CCP doesn't consider abusive, but you do. So why should people that CCP likes, but that you personally don't like, be banned?

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#17 - 2015-01-01 04:26:45 UTC
ISD's do this already, but they use their own judgment, not ours.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-01-01 08:36:25 UTC
Your idea is stupid. But you're right; it is the best one you've had.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-01-01 11:33:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
I've been trying to make the same point you have OP for a while now, but it's no use. Looking through this thread we can see just how willfully delusional the forum regulars on here can be.

People are actually claiming that abusive posts don't happen, and that the ISD take care of it. Complete non-sense. You have to be willfully blind if you don't think the abuse and childish, aggressive criticism of posters and their ideas is rampant and non-addressed. It's why few people care to post here outside of the chest-beating neckbeards that frequent this place.

The post above me is a simple but easy example of this. Posters like this use the internet in a desperate attempt feel better about themselves by attacking and abusing others, and this place is a nest for them unfortunately.

I am unsure if CCP are unaware that the forum rules are not being enforced in a grand fashion, or if they put those rules in for some kind of legal reason with no actual intent on enforcing them. Either way, threads like this never work. Utilize your block list and when you see abuse and childish posting occur, make the shiptoasters feel bad by pointing out how sad their lives must be for them to respond like that about an idea or discussion about a video game. Some of them actually stop doing it when you make them reflect like that.
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#20 - 2015-01-01 11:41:46 UTC
Quote:
2. Be respectful toward others at all times.

The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

Instead of cleaning the thread, I am going to close it. To answer the OP's suggestion, ISD moderates the forums and passes along information to CCP on players who may need a special sit-in-the-corner kind of grounding. CCP/ISD is very active in relation to ensuring the forums and the community are monitored and cleaned regularly.

ISD Decoy

Captain

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