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How do I learn?

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Kale Raleigh
Sons of Khaled
#1 - 2014-12-30 08:04:01 UTC
Relativity dumb question I know but I can't seem to find the answers to some of the more specific questions I have. I tried googling everything but still am left clueless. Should I just ask a **** tone of questions in the help channel and the forums? (Not spamming of course). Should I dig deeper when looking things up?

An example of a question is How do I pick an agent for security missions? I know how to use the agent finder and I know how the general mechanics work of standings. But when I pick one, what type of system? what corporation? what security status? are they a good agent? do they pay you more/less than other agents of the same level?

Another example would be how do I not get killed performing various tasks in low? Or how do I pick a system to live in?

Stuff like that. Details.

Please help my primitive way of learning. :(
Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#2 - 2014-12-30 08:28:21 UTC
You are in a player corp. From your questions it seems its not very newbie friendly and/or active.
Find a better corp =)

I don't do missions so I don't really know the difference nowadays.

How to not to die in low sec depends on what you are trying to do. In pvp you will die. Repeatedly. Pick your targets carefully and join a better corp to help you out.
If you want to do PVE then choose your low sec systems carefully. Don't jump into know hellish places like Ammamake without a cloaky ship.

Use the ingame map and select ship kills and active pilots in space that would give you an indication of where the most violent systems are. Never do PVE with anyone in local. And always watch local, if anyone jumps into your system get out of the site you are doing, or belt you are mining or whatever PVE stuff you are doing.
Everyone is out to get you, even if they didn't intend to they might change their minds ...

Traveling through low sec is best done in a cloaky (covops frig, Astero if you've got isk) or travel fit interceptor.

Others will give you more advice - off to see the doctors now ...
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-12-30 08:38:16 UTC
Search for loyalty point store on Google, pick an item there that gives you good isk per point and then mission for them in the lowest security system you dare to
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#4 - 2014-12-30 09:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jurico Elemenohpe
Missions - Avoid going into lowsec for them for now.
I pick my mission agents based on how many of them are in a group and how low the sec is. So if there's 5 agents in 3 jumps of 1 agent and they're all .5-.6, I'd prefer that over 8 agents in 3 jumps of 1 agent and they're all .7-.8 (just an example). I can't remember how I picked the corp though, I think they were just one of the only ones on the island.
I avoid lowsec missions (unless it's just a small delivery, and then I use a shuttle).
Asking lots in help chat is fine, I normally do a couple of searches before asking.
Search every mission you're going to run on eve-survival.org/wikka.php before running it. Read the mission page, it can make life much easier.
And as the above person said, join a more active/new player friendly corp. I have none to recommend, since I don't like the larger ones.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-12-30 10:05:49 UTC
Going into a bit more detail as I was on my phone earlier:

Go into the market ingame and look up all the faction modules and see which ones are selling for a lot (republic fleet 10mn afterburner and federation navy magnetic field stabilizer for example)

Then go to this website http://www.ellatha.com/eve/LP_Stores.asp

find which corp supplies the item (always best to find the corp that sells the blueprint rather than the item as you will profit more this way)

Then use the agent finder to find the agent with that corp in a location convenient to you, the lower security system the higher the rewards.


The above guide is tailored towards getting the maximum profit for missioning, if you're missioning for other reasons (such as standing increases) please tell us and we can direct you to how you can achieve that as well.
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#6 - 2014-12-30 10:08:00 UTC
Or if you can't be bothered to even do that, there's this - https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/
Just look at a few corps in an area you're interested in basing out of.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2014-12-30 10:28:37 UTC
Tips on low sec:

Learnhow to dscan,combat probe, make safespots get your pod out and keep it cheap for the first while
Velicitia
XS Tech
#8 - 2014-12-30 10:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Chal0ner wrote:
Don't jump into know hellish places like Ammamake without a cloaky ship.


FTFY Cool

Everyone's pretty much covered everything you asked ... though on the agents -- as long as they're the same level (e.g. L1), there's nothing "better" beyond being in a lower sec system. That is, a L1 agent in a 0.5 system is "better" than a L1 agent in a 1.0 system, if only on payout (and really, it's not much at that ... we're talking single-digit percentages at best -- at least for L1).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-12-30 11:06:58 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Tips on low sec:

Learnhow to dscan,combat probe, make safespots get your pod out and keep it cheap for the first while


This.

If you're trying to PVE in lowsec, safespots will help keep you alive tremendously. Dscan is kind of tricky, "defensive" d-scan is fairly easy. Just use the wide angle max range scan every once in a while, and keep an eye out for other people's combat probes, especially if you're in a safespot. If you see combats, jump around your safespots repeatedly to shake em off, leave system, or dock up. Or fight them Blink.

You may or may not have come across it already, but here is a good write up on living in lowsec with more detailed information.

He has a more detailed guide on D-Scanning in the article index as well. The whole blog is worth a read honestly, though it's very PvP focused. Then again, eve if you don't plan on fighting, knowing how PvPers function and think will help keep you alive (mostly).


Also, I think I understand what you mean by having difficulty learning. There are certain basic questions and concepts that are easy to google fu, but sometimes you have more specific, niche questions that are better answered in conversation with a veteran. Especially in EVE. That's why the recommendation of "find a GOOD corp" is thrown around a lot. It makes learning far simpler.

Also, some questions like "what makes a good system to live in?" are going to depend entirely on your goals, even then opinions will vary.

Don't get discouraged, even vets don't know everything, it's just that kind of game. Few months back i was getting fitting advice and ended up showing a vet that the Tech II Afterburners were in fact faster than the Meta 4 variant Lol. Good luck and welcome to EVE o7.

Grrr.

Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-12-30 11:09:10 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Chal0ner wrote:
Don't jump into know hellish places like Ammamake without a cloaky ship.


FTFY Cool


It's gotten far quieter since PL moved out, comparatively speaking anyway. Still dangerous.

Grrr.

Memphis Baas
#11 - 2014-12-30 11:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
It's ok to ask questions here. Make a thread, ask as many questions as you have.

It's also ok to learn by doing it the "wrong" way. Go to lowsec, get killed, for example, see how it's done. Ask those who killed you for pointers how to avoid that in the future, via in-game mail. Or how they're doing it; how they found you, etc. Some of them may not reply, but a lot of them like to be helpful and will point out the finer points of PVP. Getting killed is part of the game, it's a game mechanic that they'll happily explain.

You can also google for "eve online guide about xxx", there are plenty of guides. You can read the EVE University guides, or watch the recorded video or audio of their classes. You can read the stickied post about newbie resources at the top of this forum, and click on those links for more guides.
Samuel Triptee
Drunken Beaver Mining
#12 - 2014-12-30 12:10:54 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Tips on low sec:

Learn how to dscan, combat probe, make safespots get your pod out and keep it cheap for the first while.


^^^^
THIS!

It needs to be repeated many times to new players.

Have You Hugged Your Frigate Today?

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2014-12-30 15:49:58 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Tips on low sec:

Learnhow to dscan,combat probe, make safespots get your pod out and keep it cheap for the first while

Introduction to the Directional Scanner: http://youtu.be/WydGHvTH7NA
Core Skills: Combat Probing After Odyssey Tutorial: http://youtu.be/e5LCDbNfoo0
making a safe spot : http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sx2CFWb4kSE/Uys7aCasY9I/AAAAAAAABtQ/DS_H8JKubTk/s1600/safe+spot.png
Getting your pod out : http://evedarklord.blogspot.ie/2014/06/getting-your-pod-out.html?view=sidebar

and importantly ,

un f***ing your overview : http://evedarklord.blogspot.ie/2014/05/
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-12-30 16:19:32 UTC
When I started playing this game I had my cousin on ventrilo answering these types of questions for me. I don't even understand how it could be possible for someone to start off playing this game without a friend or two around to ask basic questions.

95% of the questions that I see here on new player Q&A could be answered with the statement " make some friends". I think you need to find a noob friendly player corp. Also don't be afraid to talk in local. There are also many public channels open in eve that you can join, some that twitch streamers have started and are occupied by their followers 23/7 and some just open to the general public. I've tried to think of one channel I could post here but I don't think it would be a good idea to send all the noobs to one channel.

However you do it I think that you should build a support team of friends and / or chat channels and try saying hi in local once in a while. Introduce yourself as a new player and watch the eve community bend over backwards to help you.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#15 - 2014-12-30 16:20:37 UTC
Kale Raleigh wrote:
I tried googling everything but still am left clueless.
Please help my primitive way of learning. :(

Google should always be your first go to: Type "Eve Online" followed by your questions (+ 2014 to get current info). There is a ton of information available on almost every topic.

The forum search is lacking since you cannot search by title only so try this: Google "site:https://forums.eveonline.com" followed by your question keywords.

Eve University is an excellent and trustworthy resource of up to date information.

There are also video tutorials on many topics if you prefer learning that way.

Feel free to post questions, but people will be more helpful if they feel like you've put some effort into finding the answers.
Kharaxus
Eve Academy Corporation
#16 - 2014-12-30 17:03:04 UTC
DO something dude!!

Stop asking so many questions on the forums.

Dont live in a glass box.

Figure out something you want to do then pick your ship for doing it. Eve has vast resources for you to choose from. Pick one and use it.

I did a lot of missions when I first started using the noob ship, because I didn't have a clue how to use the other ships and I was doing just find with the noob ship. When I screwed up I learned from it until I got to the point the mechanics necessary to accomplish that next step required that next ship.

Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-12-30 20:57:30 UTC
You learn by doing. For example I could tell you all day long why putting your hand in a vat of boiling grease is a bad idea but you won't learn anything. Now if you were to just put that hand in the vat of boiling grease you will learn that it hurts and you probably won't do that again.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-12-30 21:08:29 UTC
Kale Raleigh wrote:
Relativity dumb question I know but I can't seem to find the answers to some of the more specific questions I have. I tried googling everything but still am left clueless. Should I just ask a **** tone of questions in the help channel and the forums? (Not spamming of course). Should I dig deeper when looking things up?[


Both.

While digging deeper (can't hurt to keep searching while waiting for the answer to be given) just ask your question in:

* This forum (not only very helpful to new players, the more questions, the more I have to doP)
* Help chat in EVE, if you can fit in between the spam in it.
* Help Chat - Reloaded, much quieter and player ran help chat.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-12-30 21:10:57 UTC
Kale Raleigh wrote:

An example of a question is How do I pick an agent for security missions? I know how to use the agent finder and I know how the general mechanics work of standings. But when I pick one, what type of system? what corporation? what security status? are they a good agent? do they pay you more/less than other agents of the same level?


Well, it does also depends on the reason you want to run the missions.

If for ISK: The lower the security rating of the system the better they pay (a Level 4 Security agent in a 1.0 is worse then one in 0.5 - but not that much). But also look at the LP store items and their value, this gives you an idea how profitable you can cash in your LP.

If for standing: Well, pick the corp you need standings with (low trade taxes for instance for Caldari Navy >> Cheaper shopping in Jita). Or, god forbid, for a Jump Clone, pick a corp with high level agent AND stations with med-bays.

If for fun: Pick anyP

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-12-30 21:13:12 UTC
Kale Raleigh wrote:


Another example would be how do I not get killed performing various tasks in low? Or how do I pick a system to live in?


Low-sec survivablity
* D-scan
* D-scan
* D-scan
* Small fast ships till you are very comfortable with bigger ships
* D-scan
* Not being there when the enemy is there (aka intel and....d-scan).



Where you should live:

That really depends what you do...
And more importantly, with who you do it. If you join a corp, it makes perfect sense to live where they live, so you can play together. It isn't logic that you live in Caldari space while the other people in your corp operate out of Gallente space...or even null-sec or a WH...

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

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