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Regarding the proposed AWOX changes

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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-27 19:50:37 UTC
I'm going to leave this here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/truestories/ideas/1025-guiding-hand-social-clubs-uqs-contract-or-the-heist-where-mirial-and-ubiqua-seraph-have-a-bad-day.html


Why is it every year CCP tries to ruin the game one way or another?
If EvE starts catering to the casuals I'm out of here.

Discuss your opinions.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2014-12-27 20:17:21 UTC
Squeaky wheels get the grease, and carebears are the squeakiest damn things in the universe.






Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3 - 2014-12-27 20:27:44 UTC
Link to proposed changes?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#4 - 2014-12-27 20:27:58 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
I'm going to leave this here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/truestories/ideas/1025-guiding-hand-social-clubs-uqs-contract-or-the-heist-where-mirial-and-ubiqua-seraph-have-a-bad-day.html


Why is it every year CCP tries to ruin the game one way or another?
If EvE starts catering to the casuals I'm out of here.

Discuss your opinions.



My opinion is that you should give me your stuff, because CCP has been catering to casuals for a while now.

Profit favors the prepared

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5 - 2014-12-27 20:36:11 UTC
Quote:
This story occurred in 2005
Obviously a significant part of the game's content.

Witty Image - Stream

Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment

Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2014-12-27 20:38:33 UTC
I had forgotten about all this.

This story is what originally sparked my interest in Eve, leading to my first trial account. Unfortunatly, RL got in the way of me continuing that trial account.
Orlacc
#7 - 2014-12-27 20:42:55 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Link to proposed changes?


Me too where?

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-12-27 20:43:56 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
This story is what originally sparked my interest in Eve

I should empty-quote this. No, I shouldn't. Yes, I should. No, I... aaaargh! That time of the month again. Oops
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2014-12-27 20:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Orlacc wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Link to proposed changes?


Me too where?

The last csm minutes, the proposal is to change intracorp aggression mechanics to in line with alliance mechanics I.e. CONCORD response in high sec.

Ccp feel it's detrimental to newbies who join a veteran Corp only to find that they are hunted for sport ,
even in the minutes it was a fairly polarizing subject, funky bacon and a couple of other were strongly averse to it as it was presented and we had a big rabble about it here but nothing more has been said on the subject (as far as I'm aware anyway).
Iain Cariaba
#10 - 2014-12-27 20:56:01 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Link to proposed changes?


Me too where?

page 77, i think, of the latest CSM Summit minutes.
bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#11 - 2014-12-27 21:02:06 UTC
CCP should simply adds a new option (something like : allow corp member to shoot you without Concord retaliation : yes/no).

Seriously, what's next? CCP will ban scam?
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#12 - 2014-12-27 21:03:51 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Squeaky wheels get the grease, and carebears are the squeakiest damn things in the universe.








go for the eyes?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#13 - 2014-12-27 21:11:37 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Link to proposed changes?


Me too where?

The last csm minutes, the proposal is to change intracorp aggression mechanics to in line with alliance mechanics I.e. CONCORD response in high sec.

Ccp feel it's detrimental to newbies who join a veteran Corp only to find that they are hunted for sport ,
even in the minutes it was a fairly polarizing subject, funky bacon and a couple of other were strongly averse to it as it was presented and we had a big rabble about it here but nothing more has been said on the subject (as far as I'm aware anyway).


Except AWOXers don't really go after newbies because newbies don't have the skill to fly those juicy Orcas and Golems. Besides what's next then, removing scamming and suicide ganking? SMH, SMH.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#14 - 2014-12-27 21:16:17 UTC
Xuixien wrote:


Except AWOXers don't really go after newbies...


I had no idea there were two EVE Tranquility servers. But I guess there must be, because the one I play on sure has newb corps being AWOXed all the ******* time.

Or maybe you are just full of ****.

Mr Epeen Cool
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-12-27 21:18:58 UTC
topic has been beaten to death already. Change is happening, for those that dont like it the door is that way.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#16 - 2014-12-27 21:20:26 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Xuixien wrote:


Except AWOXers don't really go after newbies...


I had no idea there were two EVE Tranquility servers. But I guess there must be, because the one I play on sure has newb corps being AWOXed all the ******* time.

Or maybe you are just full of ****.

Mr Epeen Cool


"Newb corp" vs "newbie", I like how you try to sneak in a change of phrasing there.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#17 - 2014-12-27 21:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Mr Epeen wrote:
Xuixien wrote:


Except AWOXers don't really go after newbies...


I had no idea there were two EVE Tranquility servers. But I guess there must be, because the one I play on sure has newb corps being AWOXed all the ******* time.

Or maybe you are just full of ****.

Mr Epeen Cool
I don't know what people would usually expect from me regarding this topic ...
... but there is not a shadow of a doubt that this is a seriously ****** up change that makes no sense in actual ingame reality.


Yes, "new player friendly" corporations get awoxxed ... and they do that rightfully so!

Because they are crap.


Unless CCP creates a few dozen alts ...
... and starts checking out all these crappy corps ...
... and then comes to a proper conclusion ...
... any proposed change based on "data" is simply bullshit.


If the Minutes actually have anything relevant to actual reality (= what actually really happens ingame) ...
... then please point me to a page so I can read it up.


Everything else is just crap and bullshit. Most "new player friendly corps" out there get killed off for the
simple reason that they are not doing anyone any good. It makes NO sense at all to remove the mechanic
just because some people get killed inside the corp.

If the CEO isn't smart enough to keep his people together, safe or gather them up to fight the awoxxer,
then it's not the fault of the mechanic! And no ******* one can tell me that a bunch of noobs couldn't
properly deal with an awoxxer. Put ten noobs in frigates with a proper FC and they kick ass.

Most "new player friendly" corps out there are only about dicksizes. How many members the CEOs can gather.
Carebear CEOs.

This is what it's really about, because no one who is actually worth running such a corp would whine about
awoxxers or would be unable to get his people together and fight whatever threat there is!

Only carebears whine about this. If CCP caters to these people then ooohhh boooyyy good night EVE ONLINE,
because we will see an influx of horrible losers this game will not survive in the long run! These people will
shape the future of this game, because they have power over new players!

It's bad enough with all the assholes in rookiecorps telling people to mine or run missions.



With such a change it will only get WORSE!




I said it before, I am saying it again:

The whole issue has NOTHING to do with game mechanics and is ALL about social engineering!

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#18 - 2014-12-27 22:01:18 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
The whole issue has NOTHING to do with game mechanics and is ALL about social engineering!


I agree. AWOXes are painfully easy to avoid and failing that, painfully easy to mitigate.

The only real issue with HiSec AWOXing is the logi situation; the logi should catch some kind of flag, at the very least a flag that lets the corp being AWOX'd attack it.

Of course, 99% of AWOXes can be stopped by a day old newbie in a Griffin. But nah, let's change mechanics instead.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#19 - 2014-12-27 22:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Xuixien wrote:
Sol Project wrote:
The whole issue has NOTHING to do with game mechanics and is ALL about social engineering!


I agree. AWOXes are painfully easy to avoid and failing that, painfully easy to mitigate.

The only real issue with HiSec AWOXing is the logi situation; the logi should catch some kind of flag, at the very least a flag that lets the corp being AWOX'd attack it.

Of course, 99% of AWOXes can be stopped by a day old newbie in a Griffin. But nah, let's change mechanics instead.
The day has come when the two of us agree on something.

That's ... weird! ;)


Anyhow, you are right. Any halfwit can stop awoxxing.
The issue isn't the mechanic of being able to shoot corpmembers,
the issue are the corpmembers themselves.

No CEO worth the title can't deal with that!


This is all about carebears and nothing else.

The idea of "rookie friendly corps" was one of the biggest bullshit ideas they ever had.

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!

McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#20 - 2014-12-27 22:14:38 UTC
Mirial was assasinated in Haras, a 0.3 system. The proposed changes wouldn't have affected this AWOX.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin

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