Ships & Modules

Hi everyone.

I juste played around with HAM on my Cyclone ans came with interesting conclusions.

I PvPed an low skilled toon (lab rat) who was in a Incursus. Barelly enough SP to use meta mods.

One salvo of 5 Hams ( standard missiles) on the cyclone does 897 damage.

For easy calculations used EM Hams vs 50% base armor resist.

Without a propmod the rat orbited at 330m/s. My hams salvo did 14% of their stated damage.

With Ab fitted the rat spinned at 650-700 m/s on close orbit (2000m)

Each salvo did a whopping 7% of base stats damage.

The incursus is dual rep wich was almost overkill un this case, it almost tanked the Hams DPS with only one repper.

Well, many will agree that this rather lame. Other will say missiles always hit.

But i expected do more real DPS than an a noobship can.

Fitting a web on a 5 mid slot shield ship costs a lot of ehp

And there's not that many ships that can fit 2 neuts.



My point is that the missile platform the cyclone has become, isn't bonused to RLML or LML.

Unlike the Bellicose that has the TP bonus to boot wich synergise with Ham

HAM do not have precision missiles, but we have T2 that do less real dps to cruiser hull than the standard cheapo ones.

Any thoughts on how they could je improoved?

IMO i'm willing to give up some range to get better applications.

Oversized missile suck at applying damage to smaller/faster targets, there's nothing wrong with that and to the majority of people this doesn't come as some sort of a surprise. EVE has many game mechanics that prevent power creep and "bigger = better". In this case you could use a painter, a web or Rigor rigs but honestly on a PVP Cyclone neither of that makes any real sense so the answer in this case it "use your drones against small targets, that's why you have them".

For ships yes *i love my ships of many sizes and forms except Gallente can go die!*

but does that mean....

bigger D and B's are not better?

What particular drawbacks are there that justify a capless, fittingless, tanking, ammoless, high dps weapon system that can apply dmg from the smallest ship to the largest?

Very good post sir. Unlike turret ammo that has tracking penalties, you cannot overcome missile application penalties with good flying. You need to choose the right ammo and/or paint/web your target. It's the downside of the fact that you can zig and zag and move around as fast as you want and it will never impact your missile damage application (assuming you stay in range).

Generally, I only use Rage missiles against targets one class up from the launcher (or if I'm bashing a structure) to simplify logistics, but I can see the case for using them against T2s and T3s.

I works both ways: your targets can't use manual piloting (or range) to affect your applied dps either, other than sheer speed vs sig.

Just a question, did you use any damage application rigs (Rigors - Flares), or you had no rigs at all? 14% and 7% shows you were without rigs.

Nice article. I fly a lot of missile boats and that was an excellent primer on missile ammo selection and why it's important. I probably would have shot a whole lot less T2 Rage if I had read that a year ago.

(excluding the Guristas line)They're the only completely destroyable weapon system, they're easily destroyed, they don't apply their full dps very well even against the same size and they have travel time. Missiles share a bit of this (such as destroyable and travel time, although not completely destroyable)

HAM's are generally intended to be shot at same class/size hulls as they are mounted on. They typically don't have really good damage application on things smaller than battlecruisers.

If you want flexibility of what you can shoot at with a BC hull, your natural skill progression should lead you into an AC Sleipnir.